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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,702 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I don't know them from papers. Trust me, if you will see one of them working you would maybe mistake them for someone from South Asia. The ones that are here and clearly Roma Gypsies are not working, some will be on benefits but most will do what I said. Or let's put is this way, their employment rate will closely match the employment rate of any halting site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Now, now Wibbs, You also have people on this thread saying, with a straight face, that we need Non-EU Economic Migrants to help "Pay for our Pensions".

    A completely debunked canard, but you can't blame them for trying, I guess.

    The only Left that works, is Messi's left foot.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Yes, it's the hate laws fault and not that of the police.

    Don't be fooled. This is an excuse and a very sh*t one at that. Hate laws don't prevent police from arresting sexual predators.



  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's both, it's partly how it shapes society.


    "The gangs even targeted girls during school lunch hours, picking them up and dropping them off with little concern that their activities would be noticed."


    Broad daylight, on a very large scale, in full view



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    No they don't, but governments and certain politicians do to push agendas or back up their policies.

    Remember what a certain priti patell said when asked about these crimes.

    "It's better to keep quiet about certain things for the good of multiculturalism "

    She would fit in well with some of our politicians and news agencies.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I’m sorry but anyone trying to claim that hate crime laws prevented police from acting have another agenda altogether.

    They dropped the case because it was ‘too politically incorrect’. What a pathetic excuse. And look it’s working because people are blaming hate crime laws instead of the police doing their basic job.

    Its a deflection. Pure and simple. This was allowed to happen because police refused to do their job. Nothing more, nothing less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    It was a bunch of working-class girls so authorities didn't care.

    You had that evil Middle-Class "Socialist" **** Lily Allen quipping that the girls would have been raped by someone else anyway.

    @Faugheen there were cases in Rotherham of Police arresting the fathers of young girls abused who went to confront the rapists and get their daughters back.


    The only Left that works, is Messi's left foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,702 ✭✭✭Cordell


    The politics and the politicians, especially if there are some local councilors of muslim background will very likely make police act very careful or not at all. We have seen the police being unfairly blamed for acting against minorities, BLM riots and all, and no farther than our own saint George who apparently still didn't receive the full justice - that is the all clear given to the Garda action.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You think the police are being unfairly blamed for this?

    The police didn't do their job which was to investigate the crimes. Numerous children suffered because of this. It's an absolute disgrace and then you have people in here trying to absolve them and say 'but but the hate crime laws.

    Then you say Muslim councillors would tell police not to act at all. Have you any evidence of this in this particular case or is it just another trope to throw out to make out that the police weren't at fault here?

    Any excuse at all to fuel agendas. It's sickening that people are trying to say that the police can't be solely blamed for not doing their damn jobs here all because it involves a gang of people who happen to be from Asia. Shameful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    In the cases of Muslim men of Pakistani origin in the North of England grooming and gang raping young girls it was admitted years later by politicians that a decision was taken not to do anything because they didn't want the far right to gain traction. Well, the far right groups were invited to those towns because the locals were desperate to get something done and the politicians weren't listening. It was acknowledged that there was a conspiracy between Senior Police, Social Services and the Government to sweep it under the carpet because they didn't want to upset the Muslim community. It only came out in the past couple of weeks that the Pakistani grooming gang leader was working for Rochdale Council at the time. 20 years it's taken for that information to surface.

    A choice existed, protect very vulnerable children from pedophile grooming gangs by arresting prosecuting and deporting the pedophiles would mean making it very public, or throwing these vulnerable children to the wolves and keeping the peace. It would still not have been acknowledged if it hadn't been for the fact that the State Prosecutor was himself a Muslim and disgusted by it. Both Sajid Javid and Priti Patel, whatever you think of their politics, have made it clear that they're disgusted by it and if you look into it yourself you'll find that there have been deliberate attempts made to block their inquiries at every opportunity.

    There's a lot of very awful abuse still being hidden and it's still going on and it's still being hushed up and the Irish government and Gardai would do exactly the same thing here. It's all about the optics all about the PC. Hate speech laws are intended to scare Paddy into silence. The whole shout racist shout Islamophobia shout transphobia wore thin on Paddy and Paddy had enough so it stopped working. Now we're getting Hate Speech laws just to put us back in our places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    No, that was Tommy Robinson stirring hatred. Couldn’t be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,702 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You think the police are being unfairly blamed for this

    No, absolutely not, quite the opposite. They should have acted and if that would have involved asians / muslims being profiled, then so be it, the children are much more important.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Like I said, the data is published on an annual basis 🤷‍♂️



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m sorry but anyone trying to claim that hate crime laws prevented police from acting have another agenda altogether.

    There is a tendency by some to conveniently forget what has gone before. The PC movement gained so much influence in both the US and the UK to have an impact on both the research (or lack of) on many topics, and again, on the policies affecting police behaviour. All you have to do is look at the way policing towards BAME groups, and the approach in the courts towards BAME offenders, differed from the approach towards the native groups. None of which spoke of equality, irrespective of ethnicity or background (I fully admit, btw, that there was institutional racism present against BAME in the UK, but the flipside was also present in some situations)

    People are, understandably, wary of hate speech laws which might bring about the same restrictions on investigating minority/racial groups in a balanced/unbiased manner. We've seen the PC movement slowly being dismantled in society, but it wouldn't be that hard to push through a similar theme to control society.

    There's no need for there to be an agenda at play. Past events have shown that policy can be affected by such things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,265 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Same, I was just thinking as you.. initially just not voting but I’ll spoil, make em count it. Hopefully many more do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,265 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Until Labour get their backsides in line with the people whom they purport to represent that’s the way it’s gong to be.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any excuse at all to fuel agendas. It's sickening that people are trying to say that the police can't be solely blamed for not doing their damn jobs here all because it involves a gang of people who happen to be from Asia. Shameful.

    Solely blamed? Why would we want that? After all, it's hardly realistic to suggest such a thing. The Police are directly affected by government policy, so that would affect their behaviour, and some responsibility would rest with them. In addition to the police themselves. But then, there's the society that the police are interacting with.. and whether they're responsible, in part, for what has happened.

    Cordell, made the reference to our own George Nkencho, which you ignored completely. Were the police responsible for his nutty behaviour? Were they responsible for the clusterF of media attention, and manipulation thrown around afterwards by different groups? No. They weren't. They were just responsible for the events that involved them directly.

    At some stage, we have to acknowledge the actions of the individual (which we make such a big deal about, while downplaying personal responsibility).

    "Solely blaming" the police is simply convenient, but its far too simplistic an approach IF we actually want a fair/balanced society. Which is the only way a multicultural society can succeed. Fair, balanced, and without biases of any kind for ethnicity, religion or whatever. Everyone equal regardless of the differences encouraged to be recognised within a multicultural environment.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As opposed to?

    Honestly, I can't see much difference from any of the political parties capable of gaining a majority, or even a coalition. Which of the parties do you really consider to be better for the nation? (I'm not going to agree, so I'll leave this here.. after your response.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    You'll be waiting a long time for that crowd to get their act together especially with Ivana at the helm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Interesting report of the public meeting and some of the refugees in the hotel.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,265 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    True unfortunately…. They just don’t have good leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    People have been dealt with but there was nothing to deal with some told us. Dealt with in what way and for what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Sounds like moved on somewhere else the guy in the window said he had been in Citywest the red cow Cork back to the Red Cow and now Kinnegad. Also he said he got the bus over from the UK.

    Looks like local councils are being bypassed in the decision making processs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,958 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Maybe his party is starting to feel the backlash of these moves. I doubt anything solid will come out of this except false promises



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a welcome and timely development given the recent toxicity and hatred on display against those less fortunate.

    The Bill will strengthen the law around incitement to hatred by proposing clearer and simpler offences of incitement to hatred than those in the existing legislation.

    These new offences will cover inciting hatred against a person or persons because they are associated with a protected characteristic, and also disseminating or distributing material inciting hatred.

    The new legislation will set the threshold for criminal incitement to hatred as intent or recklessness. This means a person must either have deliberately set out to incite hatred, or at the very least have considered whether what they were doing would incite hatred, concluded that it was significantly likely, and decided to press ahead anyway.

    A good change from the use of "motivation test" to "demonstration test". Will ensure its a lot easier to get convictions.

    A motivation test for hate crime requires proof of someone’s subjective motivation for committing an offence - what was in their mind at that exact moment. However, the Minister has now concluded that motivation alone in proving hate crime offences can be difficult to establish and therefore might not result in a conviction.

    A demonstration test means simply that a perpetrator demonstrates hatred towards a member of a protected group/characteristic at the time of an offence being committed.

    This might involve, for example, the use of hostile or prejudiced slurs, gestures, other symbols or graffiti at the time of offending. In practice, it means that by using a demonstration test, the prosecution does not necessarily have to get inside the mind of a perpetrator to prove the crime but can use a demonstration test as an alternative method of proving a crime committed is a hate crime within the provisions of the legislation.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    The only Left that works, is Messi's left foot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh I know why phones ringing off the hook. People they meet livid. 100s of Emails a day all support has pretty much evaporated now. That's the Govs fault not Irish people, If they had a plan and a cap we would not be here.



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