Yep. The Conservative & Unionist party continues to undermine the union for short term political gain. The whole thing is just so odious. I remember thinking how bland a debate I watched on RTÉ was just before I left Ireland in 2011. This is just so much worse.
It's only going to get uglier, isn't it? Johnson will prove to have been a comparatively more charming, outreaching PM than this thunderingly foolish Thatcher cosplayer. I know Sturgeon isn't universally beloved by Scots but ye gods what a message being sent.
When push comes to shove, Scots are expected to know their place. Holyrood just a little playtime jig to plàmàs the more rambunctious northerners.
Truss is at it again tonight during a Tory hustings in Exeter:
Tories are lapping this up but I think it will prove a very counter-productive strategy.
I think even if they had a vote now the result at the end of it would be to stay . Just like the last time when all the money issues etc are debated people who might be wavering will back down . The next vote has to when the yes side have a good lead or else it's gone for years .
Remember those who presumed Johnson's departure would be a nail in the independence coffin? Scottish unionists will wish his return.
Truss' use of American lingo - "not on my watch" - feels needless but also quite obnoxious. I look forward to seeing the Yes vote in the coming days and weeks.
So long as they're active voters in Scotland, it won't matter. I expect it will manifest in polling mind.
The reaction online in Scotland had been as expected. The Tories just need to keep this idiocy up.
This is an uncompromising position from Truss.
So even if the electorate give a massive endorsement to the pro-independence position, she is going to ignore it. This is a dangerous game the Tories are playing. Is there or is there not a democratic pathway for Scotland to achieve independence?
Ohhh maybe the Tories and DUP 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Don't knows matter.
Yes needs to be over 50% without excluding the Don't knows. Even then, it would be better to be clearly in the 60% region. Losing this 2nd chance finishes the question for ever (in effect). Even winning by 52% is a bit naff - who would force such a narrow victory on the losers?
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Latest Panelbase poll has yes on 51%, no on 49 (don't knows excluded). Poll was done on 1st July. Its tightened up a bit since the Yougov poll of 23rd May where the no's were ahead by 10%.
The Tories may consider that anything north of the Watford Gap is 'the north', but that leaves all of Scotland and two thirds of England, plus ignores Wales.
Talk about Westminster-centric!
Oh I do agree Truss is the larger Gaff Machine in this shakeup, but specifically for the Scottish question it's an awful moment of Anglocentric presumption, one that plays into this idea that as far as the English are concerned, anything North of the Watford Gap is a big vague blob of "The North". Something to be patronised or dismissed as not a priority. Only even heard of the news via family in Scotland, and while they laughed it off, also treated it with a degree of unsurprised tedium.
It is worse than that - he is the MP for Richmond North Yorkshire which is 25 miles south of Darlington.
That is no worse the the many gaffes by Truss - even the Tea Sock got in on the act.
Well, that was a chuckle. Sunak managed to balls up a simple question on the issue of Scotland, and whether he would or had spent time there ... by answering about a government office he set up in Darlington. Sometimes an emoji truly is the best response: 🤦 the SNP social media wizards will be salivating.
The beauty of this gaffe being that he not only showed (accidental??) ignorance of Scotland - but of his own damn country's geography, and how he'll continue to be another South of England Tory.
11th and 12th October are the dates for the Supreme Court hearing. The judges could
The last one is what the judges decided in the Keatings case last year (the one where the UK and Scottish governments were on the same side) and nothing has changed since in my view
Truss is likely the "better" candidate in terms of the pro-independence narrative, but either way a hardcore Tory isn't going to strengthen the bonds North and South of the border. Meanwhile, has Sunak even offered an opinion? He comes across as Anglo-centric as his predecessors ever were.
We saw with the recent Question Time that took place in Scotland, the Tories remain utterly despised - heck even the Border Counties have started to lose their Blue hue IIRC those last remaining Tory holdouts looking a little shaky now.
If Truss gets voted in then the Yes vote will keep momentum!
Yup. And has been.
That said, given just how pathetic the Scottish branch of Labour has been, it'll make no odds who's in power at Westminster at this point.
Any odds on a mainland clean sweep for the SNP at the next GE?
I think the Tory party being in power is probably the greatest assist to the Yes vote in Scotland
Truss. But either will keep the push on Yes.
Which of the two British PM candidates would be the more likely to cause support for independence to grow? Or does it matter at this stage after the Johnson years? I would think Truss would be better for those who favour independence since she looks out of her depth, seems to have a desire to become Thatcher 2.0, and has indicated she will refuse another referendum no matter what.
The Herald has changed a lot since then
Apologies it was the Sunday version of the Herald
But to be fair the Herald was not unequivocal about staying in the union
Well, who would have suspected it? The UK govt is using the same argument the Scottish govt used when they fought the Keatings case last year
"In its submission to the Supreme Court case brought at the behest of the first minister, lawyers for the Scotland Office argued that the question of whether Holyrood has the powers to hold a unilateral vote cannot be tested without a bill first being passed in Edinburgh.
In a one and a half page submission, the UK government argued that the Scotland Act — created at the dawn of devolution — sets out a process to test whether legislation is within the competence of Holyrood, which begins once it has been approved by MSPs.
Scottish ministers made similar points when arguing that a test case was invalid.
Martin Keatings, an independence campaigner, ultimately saw his request that the courts rule whether Holyrood had the power to stage a referendum without the UK government’s consent thrown out."
The Herald definitely does not support independence and is in fact a unionist paper. Newsquest owns both the Herald and the National but only the National out of all newspapers in Scotland supports independence
The Herald owns the National so I do not really see them as that different.
You'd wanna have a word with the The National so...
https://www.thenational.scot/
It is not a Tory paper but definitely takes a unionist stance. The comments are likely to reflect the ahem demographics of it's readership and those most likely to post comments on the website.
The only paper in Scotland that supports independence is the Herald
Do they 'select' replies?
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