Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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I’d say there will never be a successful prosecution there.
26 years and a bit since her murder.
It’s known who did it, quite obvious who, they’ve admitted it to third parties…
but no evidence…
The more time that passes, the more remote anyone will be brought to justice for the French National's murder.
There were hopes that new DNA techniques would turn something up.
Cold case team to interview Bailey sometime before Christmas.
Were looking at a person of interest in France - But appears to have gone nowhere.
The team were to re-interview anybody that made a statement back at the time of the murder.
Review still officially on-going at the moment.
Any updates on this since? It's all gone very quiet lately.
They're going on a statement by Marie Farrell and have the suspects name, a known associate of her husband. This was all discounted in the original investigation I think.
What obligation is anyone in France under to give a DNA sample to the Irish Gardai?
Surely they can tell the Gardai to "va te faire foutre"? And doubly so seeing as the French Justice System has already convicted Bailey of the crime.
Detectives going to France to obtain DNA from a person in connection with the case.
I don't think Bailey did it. I suspect the Garda are protecting the real killer.
Oh dear, what are the haters gonna do? New "person of interest" at the scene.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-person-of-interest-triggered-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-cold-case-review-says-top-officer-41827939.html
The shenanigans of the Guards ... there has no doubt been incompetence and miscarriages of justice (including deliberate tampering with witness statements) in the course of this case.
With the gate, I really don't know which one it is. It is entirely without the bounds of either disgraceful category of conduct to have 'lost track of' the gate either through incompetence or corruption, because it was of no use in their fit up job of Bailey.
Being arrogant is not a crime
can you point out where i said it was
How can a blood smeared gate be disregarded as evidence.
That's a good chunk of the reason why I don't buy the whole "We didn't lose the gate." speil by the Gardai. If there was blood on it, surely it wouldn't be disposed of.
And given the other shennanigans with missing witness statements, pages torn out of notebooks, Bailey's missing coat and diary, dodgy witness statements from Marie Farrell etc., even if Bailey's DNA was on a rock/block, I still wouldn't be happy going ahead with a prosecution.
If new technology is now going to be used , surely the gate would be relevant.
Wouldn't it be easier to get fingerprints on steel rather than stone.
There is nothing sinister about the “missing” gate.
What is sinister is the missing pages from the police jobs books.
Missing witness statements
Ian Bailey’s missing diary and overcoat.
Etc. Etc.
This new report is supposed not be about the Garda handling of original case, so all the above is irrelevant including “gate gate”
If there was nothing of evidential value found on it then it is not entered into evidence. It's a chunk of metal that doesn't belong to the investigation, the gardai or forensics lab. If it is not collected it's disposed of.
"Understood" and "may" indeed 🙄... doesn't auger well for the new investigation if this is all they can produce to explain how a 20 foot gate vanished in their custody!
The Indo article says it was offered back to Sophie's parents.
edit;
"understood it may have been offered"
He probably knew all right, just not from the Gardai, as he said .
Her next of kin at the time of the murder was her husband, who died long before this gate story emerged. As far as I've heard, he also bought the house. Is it really likely he contacted her family to say he refused to take back a bloodstained field gate?
It does he would have known if it had, you can be certain the family would have discussed every detail of the case.
That doesn't mean it wasn't offered back to the family.
"I had never news of the gate from Garda.They never gave it back to me" her son Pierre-Louis Vignaud, who inherited the west Cork property told the Irish Independent.
There's not remotely enough evidence against Bailey, if any, for this to make it inside any courtroom other than a sham French courtroom.
Do I think Bailey did it? Haven't a clue. Do I think there's reliable evidence that points to Bailey doing it, absolutely not.
Looks like they are using mvac on the concrete block. Only hope for the case is DNA.
Here's Senan Moloney's "yarn" about the gate.
Have you seen the photos of the "perfectly good gate"?
Would you want such a gate as a daily reminder on your property?
Edit, forgot link;
If you think a jury would not be swayed by that, you don't understand how trials work.
I'm not suggesting her son would do anything wrong. I mean the jury could never lose sight of the suffering which this crime has caused. No bad thing. Especially if they had to listen to some spoofer of a psychologist brought in to back up a plea of insanity.
"Imagine the jury with Sophie's son watching them day after day during the trial."
If they are swayed by that, they've no business on a jury as it is a recipe for a miscarriage of justice.
Irish law has opened the Pandora's Box of the insanity defence but this is an exceptional case. Unless the accused has spent the last 30 years chained to a wall in some foreign Bedlam, no Irish jury will have an scintilla of sympathy for a defence based on his mental state. Unlike every other Irish criminal, his offence will not be mitigated by a terrible childhood, former drug abuse (he's clean now, your Honour!), traumatic experience or anything else that might have affected his mental state that night.
Imagine the jury with Sophie's son watching them day after day during the trial. Would they return with their verdict and say anything other than "guilty of murder as charged"? Not if they wanted to go home afterwards.
'Temporary insanity' defence? There were many other injuries also evidence of a prolonged struggle.
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