Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Looks like they are using mvac on the concrete block. Only hope for the case is DNA.
There's not remotely enough evidence against Bailey, if any, for this to make it inside any courtroom other than a sham French courtroom.
Do I think Bailey did it? Haven't a clue. Do I think there's reliable evidence that points to Bailey doing it, absolutely not.
"I had never news of the gate from Garda.They never gave it back to me" her son Pierre-Louis Vignaud, who inherited the west Cork property told the Irish Independent.
That doesn't mean it wasn't offered back to the family.
It does he would have known if it had, you can be certain the family would have discussed every detail of the case.
Her next of kin at the time of the murder was her husband, who died long before this gate story emerged. As far as I've heard, he also bought the house. Is it really likely he contacted her family to say he refused to take back a bloodstained field gate?
He probably knew all right, just not from the Gardai, as he said .
The Indo article says it was offered back to Sophie's parents.
edit;
"understood it may have been offered"
"Understood" and "may" indeed 🙄... doesn't auger well for the new investigation if this is all they can produce to explain how a 20 foot gate vanished in their custody!
If there was nothing of evidential value found on it then it is not entered into evidence. It's a chunk of metal that doesn't belong to the investigation, the gardai or forensics lab. If it is not collected it's disposed of.
There is nothing sinister about the “missing” gate.
What is sinister is the missing pages from the police jobs books.
Missing witness statements
Ian Bailey’s missing diary and overcoat.
Etc. Etc.
This new report is supposed not be about the Garda handling of original case, so all the above is irrelevant including “gate gate”
How can a blood smeared gate be disregarded as evidence.
If new technology is now going to be used , surely the gate would be relevant.
Wouldn't it be easier to get fingerprints on steel rather than stone.
That's a good chunk of the reason why I don't buy the whole "We didn't lose the gate." speil by the Gardai. If there was blood on it, surely it wouldn't be disposed of.
And given the other shennanigans with missing witness statements, pages torn out of notebooks, Bailey's missing coat and diary, dodgy witness statements from Marie Farrell etc., even if Bailey's DNA was on a rock/block, I still wouldn't be happy going ahead with a prosecution.
Being arrogant is not a crime
can you point out where i said it was
The shenanigans of the Guards ... there has no doubt been incompetence and miscarriages of justice (including deliberate tampering with witness statements) in the course of this case.
With the gate, I really don't know which one it is. It is entirely without the bounds of either disgraceful category of conduct to have 'lost track of' the gate either through incompetence or corruption, because it was of no use in their fit up job of Bailey.
Oh dear, what are the haters gonna do? New "person of interest" at the scene.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-person-of-interest-triggered-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-cold-case-review-says-top-officer-41827939.html
I don't think Bailey did it. I suspect the Garda are protecting the real killer.
Detectives going to France to obtain DNA from a person in connection with the case.
What obligation is anyone in France under to give a DNA sample to the Irish Gardai?
Surely they can tell the Gardai to "va te faire foutre"? And doubly so seeing as the French Justice System has already convicted Bailey of the crime.
They're going on a statement by Marie Farrell and have the suspects name, a known associate of her husband. This was all discounted in the original investigation I think.
Any updates on this since? It's all gone very quiet lately.
Cold case team to interview Bailey sometime before Christmas.
Were looking at a person of interest in France - But appears to have gone nowhere.
The team were to re-interview anybody that made a statement back at the time of the murder.
Review still officially on-going at the moment.
There were hopes that new DNA techniques would turn something up.
The more time that passes, the more remote anyone will be brought to justice for the French National's murder.
I’d say there will never be a successful prosecution there.
26 years and a bit since her murder.
It’s known who did it, quite obvious who, they’ve admitted it to third parties…
but no evidence…
Who's known to have done it?
I'd hazard a guess that @Strumms is referring to the person that our DPP has said a number of times that there isn't sufficient evidence that would warrant consideration of a trial.
This would be the same DPP in whose office, an official produced an analysis of the case which actually believes that the evidence suggests that he didn’t do it.
Still @Strumms probably knows more than the rest of us!
It's known who did it...?? Please enlighten us?
They've admitted it to third parties..??? Who are ''they''?
Who are the third parties that they felt compelled to unburden themselves to with this knowledge..??
Quite a few statements there buddy.... Are you suggesting this Country is knowingly protecting a murderer?
Or are you just looking to nail a murder on somebody without any evidence...??
What a delightful citizen you are..
Best not to name names. I guess there are a few in the frame at this stage.
At lease five credible suspects that I can think of.
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