Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Being arrogant is not a crime. There is no evidence to point towards Bailey and despite an incompetent garda force carrying out an investigation which appears to have, like yourself, made a presumption of guilt without any evidence (and also despite some members fabricating evidence against him), Bailey is still entitled to his name.
. The scratches were on his arms which would have been covered at night. even so he would know had he bled, there would be stains on his shirt and arms. I have one or two hives on my arms and sometimes i get a rash and scratch and one might bleed. Blood is on my arm and shirt. even a tiny bleed is noticable. if i murdered someone I'd check. and whatever about being foolish Bailey is arrogant
"The family were offered it back but declined the offer" Has the family confirmed that somewhere, surely given the relevance the missing gate has garnered in the media they would have by now if that yarn was true.
Anyhow as I understand it the legal procedure is that the Gardai have to return property not required as evidence to its lawful owners..it would be up to the owners to dispose of it themselves if they wished.
And why would anybody not want a perfectly good gate that was part of the fittings on their property back.
It's well known that Bailey's arms were covered with scratches which, he claimed, he got while murdering turkeys. So, if he did it, then he'd have been a very foolish (or arrogant) man to to have though that he mightn't have left some blood at the scene.
The killer may never be caught even if they find DNA but there isn’t a chance in hell that the killer would get convicted of a reduced charge like manslaughter.
Admittedly, this jurisdiction may be the best place in the world for a killer to plead to a reduced charge (“he ran into my knife!”) but no jury in Ireland would believe this is anything other than a most brutal murder.
Smashing a defenceless woman’s head in self-defence?
If they get clean away to another country they may never be found and if they come forward and frame the killing as manslaughter or even self defence in a believeable way there would be no life sentance.
Ian Bailey won’t do either. He offered to give blood samples when he believed the Gardai had samples of the attacker’s blood.
Maybe he knew he had not left any blood. After all he would have known if he was bleeding. He could have covered his hair too. Wonder if he knew about M Vac when he sought the review. If they do not find anyone else Bailey will always be the suspect anyway
The family were offered it back but declined the offer.
I don't know where the "sold to a scrapyard" story came from.
Oh really? why wasn't it returned to its owners the Du Plantier family?
"sold to a scrapyard" ehh 😯...who got the money from the sale?..the amount of metal in it would have only worth a few Euros, I am sure the Du Plantier family would have preferred the front gate of their house returned rather than the couple of Euro coins from the Garda sale of it to a scrapyard!.
It may not just be incompetence.
In the 'Murder in the Alps' case, it definitely seemed to be the case that the french prosecutor seemed to decide very quickly that the source of the murder lay in the UK and had nothing to do with the local French cyclist who was murdered.
I guess there are similarities with the Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder where the Gardai seemed to focus solely on Ian Bailey from early on instead of keeping an open mind on other possible leads.
I'm not sure whether that's incompetence or some form of inbuilt bias where we like to think 'forriners' are bad and locals are purer than the driven snow.
That's quite easy to believe given the sham of a court case that convicted Ian Bailey in his absence. Evidence that the Gardai found unreliable was taken as gospel by the French.
I wonder is here a special form of incompetence that overtakes police forces when a foreign victim or suspect is involved?
Or is it just we are more likely to hear about them as the publicity shines a light...
Anyone watched 'Murder in the Alps' on C4?
The French police investigating that case make the Gardai in this case seem quite competent.
No, if they confess it’s a mandatory life sentence. If they run, they will be virtually admitting guilt and they would become Ireland’s most notorious fugitive. Nowhere will be safe.
Good to have the input of the French Ambassador - presumably you've just been briefed by the Élysée Palace!
Might be in their interest to confess now or run?
How do you know if it's he,she or they.
I don't remember any conviction(s).
You mean "he" might not be still alive, not "they". He's alive and well alright and living in Glengariff.
They mightn't even be alive at this stage.
The Indo says the cold case review will use a new American system which can extract DNA from rocks.
We’ve been down this road before but the technology keeps improving. At least, her murderer will have some sleepless nights.
In the GSOC report, the Gardai who were questioned didn't know what happened to it. So the gate was 'lost' to the Gardai, who are meant to be the keepers of the chain of evidence.
There were numerous issues with physical evidence and witness statements, including some illegal tampering with evidence.
https://www.thejournal.ie/grave-concern-over-missing-evidence-in-du-plantier-murder-investigation-4161933-Aug2018/
ok found it
I find it interesting Nick Foster hasn't tweeted about it. He was the recipient of the letter from Schull where someone was enquiring about the watch being seen and disappearing if I remember correctly.
I ask myself what sort of a person would write rather than email and I answer an elderly person. And who would actually have seen a watch only someone at the very first discovery of the body. And whose circumstances have changed recently through bereavement.
I am hopeful finally Sophie's family can get an answer either through new witness evidence or advanced DNA techniques.
I don't know who it was claimed the gate went missing in the first place. It may have been a poster on an earlier thread here. It's a theory that seemed to gain creedence after the two documentaries were released. I think the detective from the forensics section who worked on the case and was interviewed in the Netflix film may have clarified what eventually happened with the gate. I can't recall exactly.
Surely post mortem would clear that up.
I clearly heard it said this morning on rte news on sky 521.
Having read many articles etc., I didn't hear/read about stabbing or choking but the extreme damage to her head by the concrete block could have covered up some other killing method or evidence.
I'm going to call shennanigans on the story that the Gardai didn't lose the gate. I don't believe a word of it. For a good few years it was claimed that the gate was lost and the Gardai kept schtum. Then in 2021 the Gardai said that it wasn't lost, we had it all along and then we threw it away. Ayeeeee.
Id never heard that before, where did this come out? It was reported that there was blood on the gate back when the story of it emerged, I think it was around about the time they discovered that Bandon garda station had illegal telephone wire taps on phone calls between suspects and their solicitors
Probably mentioned before , but Jim Sheridan just said on the news that he believes she was stabbed and choked before been beaten with rock .
I didn't hear this before , although I haven't seen the documentaries.
It was sent to Dublin and forensically examined. Nothing evidential was found. It was then disposed of - sold to a scrapyard.
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