The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
Do you support Sex Education in schools ? Contraception on demand?
Look up the "Army of God" and then post your apology for calling me a liar. No rush.
In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort.[I 16][I 17] Seven murders occurred in the 1990s.[I 18]
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,[I 30] 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,[I 31] and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[I 32] Between 1977 and 1990, 77 death threats were made, with 250 made between 1991 and 1999.[I 30] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[I 16][I 5][I 6] in 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity.[I 33]
According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[I 32] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[I 37] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[I 38] Incidents have included:
The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the shooting of Barnett Slepian; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[I 5][I 70]
When do you consider abortion to be immoral? Conception? Implantation?
When does a clump of cells have more rights to autonomy than a fully formed human?
Or before that even
It's just trolling by GQP who denies being an American, but just is on the windup. Wants to readjudicate the 8th in Ireland, too cowardly to take it to the Abortion thread (or, was there, ran off, reregged and came back.) It'll wither without attention.
True, more fool me for engaging.
They deserve respect for having their own values. Not everyone thinks like you
No one is forcing them to have abortions. Why should they warrant respect if they try to take rights away from others?
Try this line at the pro life rally
And they are more than welcome to apply their own values to their own lives.
They can f*ck right off trying to force their values on anybody else.
Or at the anti-LGBTQ/God Hates Fags/Klue Klux Klan etc. rally
"Since the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision on Friday, attacks on Catholic churches and pro-life pregnancy centers have been reported in West Virginia, Washington, Virginia, Louisiana, Colorado, California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Indiana"
Not only are these cretins attacking pro life centres they are attacking churches too.
Who else attacks churches? ISIS and Islamic state.
Who else denies women rights over their own body? ISIS and Islamic State.
I can make stupid comparisons too.
Did you bother reading that link I posted this morning?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller
Funny how the Church denies baptism for stillborn children, as Church law states sacremnts are only for the living. Which they define as having taken a breath.
This is news to me
But you don't disagree with nut cases attacking churches?
#leaping
You don't disagree with women having rights to their own body and everyone else should mind their own business?
Not only that, the white house condemned them. Also don't pro lifers tend to camp out of Planned Parenthood clinics? In the process targeting the women, nurses and doctors? That's ignoring all the other crimes.
The decision has been made. It's up to the states now. As it should be.
Attacking buildings where pregnant women go for support is hardly looking out for women is it?
And some of the racism against Clarence Thomas from those on the left. Disgraceful but once again the mask slips.
Vile
Closer to a matter of citizenship. There are three different jurisdictions and states which share the same geographic space. Tribal, State and Federal. For better or worse, the tribal nations were conquered by the US Government, and so the Feds set the rules. The US Government has decided that as part of its recognition of tribes as nations it lets the tribes deal with their own internal problems on their own. So if an Indian commits a crime against an Indian on Indian land (eg half of Oklahoma), then that's generally a matter for the Tribal courts to handle. However, presumably because the US government didn't trust tribal courts, it reserved in its treaties the right to prosecute its own people, at either Federal or State level depending on circumstance.
Arrests are a different matter. As a matter of practicality, as there's no way of knowing beforehand who one is dealing with both tribal police and State/Federal have authority in most cases to search and detain anyone and then hand over to the correct authority, that was confirmed unanimously by SCOTUS in 2021 in a case where a Crow police officer ran into a non-Indian with meth and guns and the latter claimed that as he was a non-Indian, the officer had no jurisdiction over him.
Hmm... something tells me you're missing the point here. Did you read what Overheal pointed out earlier about the forced birthers bombing planned parenthood sites (for decades. And Overheal just picked out some.) Let alone the forced birther protesters that harass women going into and out of these centers, even if it's for routine gynecological care which is unavailable otherwise in forced birth states.
Whether 'crisis pregnancy' centers are supportive is hard to say since they're carefully kept from regulations especially in forced birth states.
But, why do I bother. GQP's just gonna keep lying. And way too gutless to look at things like 'in her shoes' websites from the repeal effort. Imagine those experiences worsen by a hundredfold. That's what the US will be like. And soon. GQP's kind gets off on contemplating the suffering of women, probably because they won't have anything to do with GQP.
Its you who is missing the point or willfully ignoring it.
In the past few weeks over 60 pro life centres have been vandalised.
Your reply: yeah but
Own the situation for God's sake. Hold your ground. Dont reply with a "yeah but"
No wonder the left are as they are.
Pfft. Your faux outrage is fooling nobody.
Answer my question, should women have rights to their own body?
McFall v. Shimp cited Roe to conclude one cannot be forced to donate an organ to save another person's life.
Do you agree, attacking Planned Parenthood sites, that support women, is bad?
If you've got proof of vandalism to 'pro life centres' feel free to post it. If it's from the likes of 'this and that religious organization' news like 'cnsnews' or whatever, forget it. And, don't 'crisis pregnancy centres' claim to be neutral? AFAIK they don't do anything for pregnant women like the kind of medical support Planned Parenthood provides.
You do know that Planned Parenthood does more than abortion consultation, right?
Like you're owning the pro-life assassination at a church?
Not sure why someone on the internet has to 'own the situation' for the US.
In today Sunday independent on page 21 they have 2 pieces side by side with the same column space. One is pro choice one is pro life. The details about the attacks are in there.
There is definitely a market in the US for a chain of clinics for some types. I would call it "planned victimhood" . ( do you get it?) There would be cubicles where people could call in and get hugs. Maybe throw a few darts at a Trump picture. That kind of thing.
Anyway that's neither here nor there.