I thought my maths were acting up! Might be best to state what plans people mean when quoting prices? Totally agree with the standing charge increase being a complete rip off, but what's new in Ireland.
We are referring to the smart plan with bord gais standing charge though and it is probably the most expensive standing charge around. 20€ cheaper than I remember though but an absolute scandal that they can charge just short of 500 euro for just being with them before paying for any electricity.
I'm with Bord Gais and my rural standing charge went from 69.03 c/day to 88.7 c/day in April and with the 9% vat on that it comes to €352.89 a year or am I missing something? My maths are not the best though!
That standing charge is brutal with Bord gas.
I need to start looking for who to switch to.
Will need to take into account energias >2000kwh charge for night rate too, I'll be over that for sure this winter.
Yep as Graeme said have 100amp charging or I wouldn't have took chance on this plan. That together with the couple KW a day in worst months of winter should see me through as our winter usage is roughly 12kw average a day. Compared to the 509 euro rural standing charge I was on with bord gais these are also just under 300 euro cheaper a year on their standing charge so could afford some small usage in winter and still be up compared to that but don't intend to use any day time units with them.
He's got the 6kw hybrid, 100 amp charging. So 15kwh possible into the battery.
In those 3 hours you could get 9kWh into your powerwall with a ME3000SP (15kWh with a 5kW hybrid) and 20kWh into your car every day. If you do have fairly big PV and powerwall and not huge electricity consumption outside of these hours, that could be an option with the 13-14c FIT as long as that means your peak unit use is still minimal
Wow, that is just dumb. Especially since the meter has a built in radio which can be used for communication
I think this is the correct model, check out the datasheet page 10
https://www.kamstrup.com/en-en/electricity-solutions/meters-devices/meters/omnipower-singlephase-meter/documents
Doesn't say what type but I think a similar model has a ZigBee radio built in
There's even a customer unit which can be installed to communicate with home energy monitors
Top notch work ESBN, you've earned your paycheck this time 🙄
Yep pinergy day units are extremely high on smart plans - 36c but their ev rate from 2-5 am is great at 5c. Not suitable for majority unless good battery storage and good PV output
Their unit rates should probably be listed beside them to see who is trying to rip you off the most!
Pinergy's unit price is very high AFAIK.
When I signed up to the first smart plan they put me on a basic plan for the first 30 days as it takes that for the initialisation of the smart meter. They told me if didn't have a specific signal level there would be no online access to usage and could not go on specific plans like cheap EV plan but just their basic smart plan (most expensive)
So far ... Sse 14, pinenergy 13.5.
But I'd agree a list in the faq would be useful
Can we gather up the known FIT rates and update the main FAQ page? Would like to see the published info somewhere online at least. Reward the early adopters like
I think they can be read manually too but not with the same resolution.
There's peak, off peak, night, and export sections. (Also kvar too, but as domestic we don't have to worry about real and apparent power)
Well the day night tariff never actually expires, just the discount goes.
I think I saw that there's an add-on antenna they can use to boost the signal
I suspect that what will happen for you is that you'll end up getting a smart meter and because it always misses updates you'll get an estimated reading
Which raises an interesting question, do the smart meters have any other connectivity method, like wi-fi or ZigBee radio? Is there a way for customers to get usage data directly from the meter... 🤔
What about people who have zero mobile network signal though? Where I live I can't get a signal from any provider unless I get on my roof! From what I see it's the 2g band being used so even that is impossible to get where I live. I expect some interesting times ahead with my provider but at least I have the old reversing meter so I will wait for a court order to replace that if need be.
I stumbled across this document earlier (RMDS is a division of ESBN) which discusses the migration of MCC02 (D/N) meters to Smart meters.
https://rmdservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DR1215-MCC02-Smart-Exchanges.pdf
Essentially suppliers are being asked to bend over backwards to migrate D/N MPRNs over to smart meters via either for a like for like tariff exchange or for a tariff change agreed with the customer.
This seems like the best of both worlds, smart meter + metered FIT payments + retain D/N tariff.
P.S. Lots of interesting reading on that RMDS website too, including mentions of future plans for Smart Meter HANs (in-home displays etc).
Well that's the latest thing I've asked, what exactly defines an ineligible customer for a smart meter.
And if my current tariff expires, and I sign up to a new day/night one, does that mean I've had the chance to go smart and decided not to, hence I'm off the scheme?
Such an absolute mess.
Seeing as you have some sort of response from them (and a customer)
The question is :
Does being on a traditional, Day night tariff make you currently ineligible for a smart meter. As you cannot take your current tariff to the smart meter like you can with a 24hr tariff.
I’d say the only reason to be ineligible for a smart meter right now is if you are on a d/n tariff which would mean you’d get the deemed export (their 3/6 post)
It will all be short lived anyway, we are all to have them by 2025 which isn’t really that far away… you won’t get fat on the FiT in the meantime! 🤑
Feed in Racket!
So first they said anyone without a smart meter would get the deemed export payment, then they said it was up to ESB to provide the deemed export, now the only people who are eligible for the deemed export (which apparently is back to them now, not ESB) are those who are "ineligible for a smart meter".
SSE are even more confusing now on twitter. I think they're saying that if I'm eligible for a smart meter (not sure what the definition is) then I need to request one now or I won't get any deemed payment.
Some suggesting on Facebook they spoke to energia and their rate is going to be 7c from August for fit.
Any word from bord gais on their rate by anyone? I left them start of June but in that time left them with just over 1000kwh since mid February when the law came in regarding fit. I will be following up with them for payment for all exported up to the date I left
So this document From ESB Networks show what they charge the utilities (on top of the base wholesale? kWh rate)
https://www.esbnetworks.ie/docs/default-source/publications/esb-networks-dac-statement-of-charges.pdf Page 15.
The previous statement of charges (you'll have to take my word for this though had the TOU meter (smart meter) exactly the same as the 24hr.
Screenie for reference:
So.. Actually, Now theres nothing stopping the utilities from offering a day night tariff on a smart meter, They just dont. Remember these rates are on top of wholesale or whatever kwh rates they get the electric at.
But the kWh tariffs are the business of the utility companies only. ESBN have no say over this at all. The mystery continuous...
Electric Ireland responded to my query about my NC6, told me to ring networks.
They told me they haven't received one, so I'll have to chase my installer now to get it done. Pain in the ass.
For me with a 6.1 kWp system I only used about 40% of my production so far (system up and running 7 months but only 3-4 months detailed data) this whole FIT rate of 14c certainly throws the cat amongst the pigeons if its true (eg they dont slap a massive day rate or peak rate on like pinergy) but it might actually simplify things for me anyway....
I am with Electric Ireland and wont be moving from them as my missus works for ESB... so at least I don't have to compare suppliers. Due to me only using 40% of my PV production I decided to get an EV (delivered in the next week or two🤞)to try and soak up some of the excess but also save money as €100+ petrol bills are killing me.
I am on a day/night meter (surprised they didn't install a smart meter as its new build and only got a connection last September..) anyway I worked out with my predicted increase in consumption and if I went on to a smart plan and use the full boost rate every night to charge the car I will save around €383
Now I estimate I will produce around 6500 kWh on my system for the year but lets say 6000 kWh to be prudent if I export 60% of that, then its 3600 kWh x €0.14 = €504 in FIT payment They are saying that you might be taxed for anything over €200 so I am presuming at the higher rate.. (€300 x 50% tax = €150) So after Tax FIT payment will be €350
So switching to a smart meter could potentially save me 383+350 = €733
But it would also make the management of the whole things easier as you can just let the PV system work away and export what you export but then only charge the car at night. I have a Zappi and was planning to use this to soak up excess and although this sounds great it requires management and can cut in and out (and you have to be at home) so it might be better to just schedule a charge at night better for the car battery as well.
This is all assuming that EI have a FIT of 14c and these are very high level calcs but for me I think the smart meter and FIT is deffo worth it (eg big enough PV system and an EV)
Apparently it's not up to the suppliers at all but ESBN are refusing to allow D/N tariffs on smart meters.
The same ESBN which installed my smart meter and then threw it away when I swapped to D/N
So the stupidity of ESBN defies all logic if you ask me.
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