If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
No, Ireland is not militarily neutral either. I posted the article stating this as fact. Ireland must legally come to an aid of an EU member if attacked, and this includes military aid.
Denial is not just a river ;)
Those who profit from war and conflict.
I'll await blanch to tell you what 'my conclusion' was, because he won't tell me or back up anything he claims.
Who are 'The Hawks' Francie?
Wrong thread mate!
It's a valid question.
Do you now accept that the Russians were responsible for the Salisbury attack? Do you accept the British Intelligence findings in regards that?
Yes, I know, but I'm struggling (you can help here) to think of a war we got militarily involved in in Europe.
Grabbing the popcorn to await your answer.
Last time I checked Ukraine were not in the EU.
"Found out Bill!"
Take it up with the Taoiseach.
Peace keeping is not military neutrality. They can fire back if fired upon. thus engaging in military action in a foreign land. Are you suggesting The siege of jadotville Was not a Military action.
"UN peacekeeping operations are not an enforcement tool. However, they may use force at the tactical level, with the authorization of the Security Council, if acting in self-defence and defence of the mandate."
As I said ages ago and you tried it on, Ireland is not politically neutral. It is militarily neutral.
No finding IED's would fall under the same remit we have in peacekeeping. We send the 'military' to do that.
Research the subject is your best bet before making claims?
So you agree the Taoiseach points out Ireland is not Neutral. is training soldiers on how to find IEDS military assistance ?
Somebody else who needs to d some research. Here's the Taoiseach using the word 'military' too. Should clarify it for you:
"I've put forward the idea of a Citizens' Assembly to have a reflective, informed debate on that issue of military non-alignment. That is the essential definition of Ireland's neutrality. We are politically part of the European Union, and we were strongly supported of democratic principles and values.
Like any war there is always money to be made.
The hawks will be happy if it goes on for years.
If they could agree Marques de Queensbury rules without nukes, Putin would be dangling from the end of a rope weeks ago. You know that in your bones.
That was a poorly worded survey intentionally. People have their own ideas on what Irelands Neutrality is vs Reality. Once this goes to a citizen assembly and explained in detail. Irelands Neutrality will be laid bare as a misty eyed notion.
Another 800m in funding promised by the warhawk Biden.
Why doesn't he have the balls to put troops in rather than letting the Ukrainians get turned to dust?
Yeh, the government has said we aren’t joining, the polls say the people agree and still you have people here advocating to get off to a war.
Your neurosis is taking a hold.
What are you on about?
I asked you to tell us what ‘my conclusion about Salisbury was?’ And you go off on something you lost the argument on yonks ago. 😂😁
This is quite funny.
Either you have now accepted that the Russian government was responsible for Salisbury (a modern day equivalent of the GFA being Sunningdale for slow learners) or you are still clinging to the possibility that some conspiracy theory about it might be true.
Either way, your credibility is back at zero.
Isn't NATO great all the same? Europe having a defence compact drives just the right people up the wall never to come down again.
It's a litmus test for how barmy you are if you break out in a rash at its very mention.
Ireland has supplied non-lethal military aid. We are not neutral militarily. And is going to Train Military personnel on IED removal. See the word Military come up a few times.
Exactly…and what are we doing with regard to Ukraine?
Laughable what you are trying on here.
We are not politically neutral.
obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.
Key words, 'By all the means in their power'
This includes military aid and assistance.
Therefore we are not Neutral. This was debated earlier in the thread, where you didn't have an issue with it. Yet now, you want to redefine it.
Aiding an active conflict in which Ireland has firmly taken a side the side of Ukraine that is not Neutrality.
Aid and assistance Mark, same as we have done for Ukraine.
Go do some research.
And when talking about another EU member being attacked, we are obliged to offer military assistance.
If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.
Therefore, not neutral.
In terms of sending troops and physically fighting a war YES we are neutral. We are not politically neutral. Thought you knew this? Kinda important to know that if taking part in debate on NATO
Therefore we are not Neutral. Thanks for seeing the light. :)
Aspects of the GFA for example. I don't want to get into it, as its off-topic, but yes, you tried to tell us all porkies about that one, even though the island of Ireland voted for it.
Among others mind.... I remember you were hugely upset the Queen visited Ireland, even though the vast vast VAST majority of the Irish people supported it.
Anyway... enough about that, its off-topic, but I did want to highlight to others that you are not as much a democrat as you like to portray.
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Back to NATO and Ireland...
