So you honestly think that derogation will ba available to farmers in 3 to 5 years time
It's used as a tool by the dept to bring in even more stringent land and soil management for all livestock farmers. It's introduced to derogation farmers first and they know they won't object or protest. And then it gets pushed onto the rest of the farmers without protest as it's already being implemented on farms. If the dept get their way in 20 years time derogation will still be there in some shape or form.
i think the way things are going with all the regulations, all farmers will be farming to derogation levels without it being called derogation and hence will be scraped. And the new regulations will be in three bands <100 N/ha, 100 to 140N/Ha and 140 to 170N/Ha.
Not dairy related but I can see spray derogations brought in the EU.
They'll use it as a means of regulation first and then to boil the frog, elimination.
Our when millions of hungry Africans and middle Eastern refugees come pouring over Europe's borders on account of food poverty, the current rule book will be put in the bin and it will be fullsteam ahead coupled payments linked to production to get enough of a food surplus to keep 3rd world countries in cheap bread
I think there is more than a bit of realism in that post
Yes..
It's an absolute necessity for the continued existance of farms , if not south of the Blackwater, certainly south of the Lee. 70% of coop suppliers farming to derogation levels...no deterioration of water quality.
When I talk about survival, these are typically 80/100 cow operations with no ither enterprise.
The region cannot afford to loose the derogation...economics will ensure that all that needs to be done, will be done.
What’s the core complaint in AT’s court appeal? Is it water quality or what are they claiming the derogation is causing?
I suppose I’m wondering how will they prove what they’re claiming. Or can whatever it is be proven or disproven one way or the other? That might give an idea as to whether this is a pure PR stunt or what they think is a genuine case.
They don’t bother…they just ban them.
No dialogue either.
Did Holland lose their derogation?
If you want to know what’ll happen in Ireland, look to Holland and add x years. Simples.
I think it's time to change the gun laws in Ireland. Only joking.derogation is really only a west cork and a few other small pockets so not much political clout.the thing is it is all about water quality if we don't get it right we re just inviting things
There be a reckonin’ a commin’?
The dam will burst with the green agenda re their environmental crusade just like the energy stance re coal etc we have gone from this https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-20/poland-faces-586-000-daily-fine-for-ignoring-lignite-mine-ban#xj4y7vzkg to https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/06/19/world/europe/germany-russia-gas.amp.html
The EU only seems to react when the house is literally on-fire re their policies
Food is political. Famines are caused by politics. There’s no shortage of food in the world. There is however a problem of logistics and distribution.
Farmers of the world are producing enough food for 10 billion people.
What about biofuels??
Arbitrage…’where there’s an arbitrage there’s a way’.
You're very naive if you think anyone gives a rat's ass about a few thousand highly profitable dairy farmers. I'll be expecting derogation to disappear.
I'm naive...
there are only circa 7000 farmers of a possible 135,037 in derogation. Holland got a 2 year extension in 2020 but I can't seem to find what the current situation is over there as KG says if the waterways continue to deteriorate, farming will be the first causality
But the situation in Holland is extreme regarding water quality, it is green with nitrates. Irelands water quality is one of the best in Europe.
I agree with you but in the eyes of the epa and an taisce its not good enough.
Ya, our water quality is good but going in the wrong direction. It's written into the latest derogation that if water quality doesn't improve with in 2 years or something that the limit will be reduced to 220. It's unclear what the criteria is for improvement.
Problem is that its quickly heading the wrong way eg. back in the 80's we had over 300 pristine rivers, today barely 20. Same for lakes. Its not all farming of course(conifer forestry a big issue too) but we need to get finger out
Indeed - and when the Ukraine joins the EU the cheap food groupies in the likes of Copa Cogeca, IFA etc. will be none too popular with their members
watch out. one climate bolloxoligy thread is enough!
Correct.
Grain markets are in free fall which signals that the markets reckon that there’ll be no shortages of grains. They’re usually right.
What gets on my wick are the farmers getting on the bandwagon calling for increased production and the easing of regulations. Ridiculous. Funny that it’s just 3 countries across Europe that are making these calls…Ireland, Holland and Belgium, and what have they in common?
The ginger haired gobsheen from Cork was on Twitter saying that further regulations would only increase food prices in Ireland…as if farmers are price makers! You’d think he’d take his 50cpl+ and stfu?
Things will return to normality soon enough. But while this war is ongoing the World Food Program needs some substantial funding, what we do NOT need is a relaxing of regulations for farmers to produce even more food.
What I can’t understand on this is that’s there’s less stock in the country since then, more slurry storage, a lot less out wintering and open dirty yards and generally all round better farming practices
how come it’s gotten worse ?
the council were letting human waste into courtmacsherry bay since the dawn of time . was piped straight in from courtmacsherry
and Timoleague villages because they had no scheme. I saw human shite in it . yet farmers were blamed. non farmers have a lot to do with this.
I would accept that some intensely highly stocked platforms firing out urea have leeching problems
I’ve a feeling that the amount of substandard and overloaded wastewater treatment plants the length and breadth of the country has a lot to do with it. But you won’t hear an Taisce making any noise about that.
Don't know what cork guy you're talking about. There should be such a thing as fair and sensible regulations instead of picking on one and ignoring the other. Land availability is the big problem in Ireland. Guess it make more sense the way things are going to have less cows and more milk once it could be done efficiently.
I see the Dutch are still protesting but I'd say they're only wasting their time.
As for going back to normal. It could be very painful dropping 20 cent off the milk price here.
Being working from home allows ya observe what the neighbours are at (in a non creepy way). On more than one occasion I've seen 2 houses across the road out spraying a few weeds dotted around their footpaths and yard with the green bottles of roundup ya get in Woodies. And each time, what wasn't used was poured down the grid for rainwater on the side of the road. Plus each year the council come along 2 times on a quad and spray all along the footpaths and road edges to kill anything growing.
That was totally off topic! What's the price of milk these days?
There’s been a few calls to change regulations to allow gene editing in here as well. That’d make us even more efficient apparently.
Coz, you know, the problem with food security and food price is farmers not producing even more cheap food.
