The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
A country that was overwhelmingly white for most of its history elected white men
Your analysis is superb.
Sorry that the facts don't care about your feelings
Or the earlier this month when they voted to block funding for baby formula.
The US has throughout its history been run by an overwhelmingly by rich old white men so who else is to blame for it? Are you going to blame the one black president who did more to provide healthcare to the poor than any president in a generation?
If you knew anything about the US system you'd know that democrats don't have the power to make many changes because they don't have enough votes in the senate to get through most legislation and not enough votes to blow up the filibuster.
There are endless examples of the Republicans resisting helping the poor - here is one from just this week. Democrats originally passed a much larger bill to provide much more funding for meals for poor children but due to republican resistance they ending having to agree to a much smaller amount over a shorter period.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/politics/school-meal-aid-bill-congress.html
Only one person is contorting and comparing masks to abortion.
You'll contort into any shape imaginable to avoid being reasonable.
Best of luck to you.
I never said you personally had any issue with masks or vaccines - I just repeated what you said that you are comparing the rhetoric against anti mask and anti vaccine that hurt the feelings of right wing snowflakes who forever want to be victims to the situation post Roe v Wade where actual laws are being passed by big government Republicans and potential jail time.
One is a mostly imagined issue that led to mostly inconvenience and the other is already having real world impacts, even beyond abortion and impacting IVF treatments and contraception.
16 hospitals in Kansas City will no longer provide contraception to rape victims because of the big government republican supported law there
A nation once again.....!
That's a feckless hill to die on.
If the point is being made that essentially were it not for wealthy old white men who want to control women’s bodies, there would be nobody to stop Democrats from addressing poverty, then I think it’s legitimate to point to examples of wealthy Democrats who have done nothing to address poverty, and instead have increased their own personal wealth by claiming to want to alleviate poverty being caused by, well, wealthy old white men who want to control womens bodies.
They’re your GQP, not mine. I don’t live in the US, you do. I was talking about Democrats in any case as the point was being made above - wealthy old white men, etc.
They all have the ability to address the issues they’re claiming aren’t being addressed, and they’re in a better position to do so than any of the people they claim to represent. They’ve all done incredibly well for themselves personally as a result.
I’m not in a tough spot at all, I’m questioning your idea that the current state of affairs in the US is due to wealthy old white men who want to control women’s bodies, as though Democrats don’t have the power and influence and authority to be the change they want to see in American society. They do, but just like Republicans, they’re more interested in kissing up to wealthy donors than they are interested in alleviating poverty among 40 million Americans.
You explained the differences but utterly failed to understand that there is a constant that relates to both.
You suggested that only things that are the same as each other should be compared. Seems like a strange starting point to accuse somebody of mental gymnastics.
And if you could outline what my "agenda" is exactly it would be much appreciated.
I've already outlined that I had no issues with masks and got my vacations.
You're talking utter nonsense if you're calling me an "anti mask anti vaccine snowflake".
My point isn't weak, it shows how much of a hypocrite you and people like you are, now you're throwing your toys out of your pram and reaching for the ad hominem claptrap.
Wow, that is a desperate twist.
I know you're in a tough spot because Republican run states are at the bottom of most per capita tables when it comes to everything from child poverty, infant and mother fatality, education, gun deaths etc etc but you can do better than that pathetic attempt.
Republicans want babies born and then wipe their hands clean of them - look at basically every policy they have and their voting records
Another desperate comparison. What do they have to do with each other?
Please, don't make me spit coffee. Your GQP, improving impoverished people's lives since... well, never. Reagan and his welfare queens? 1000 points of (non-existant) light? The Handmaid and her safety net nonsense?
Let's examine the Republican wealth and examine why their constituents live in such squalor?
Certainly, they don't see child welfare or adoptions etc. as the states problem. They're very happy to steer people to the churchiest organizations they can for that.
The mere existence of poverty and the mere existence of wealth rarely stand up on its own as a worthwhile cudgel. Do you have something more than Obama has book deals and America still has poor people? I don't recall any right wingers complaining about Trump not using his billions in wealth to eliminate poverty. They were quite happy to see him golf, after all, he worked hard to accumulate all those golf courses, it's only right.
Anyone who gets a term as POTUS is a millionaire by the time they leave - just on the salary.
The majority of pregnancies end up in miscarriages. This happens before the mother is aware she's pregnant. To say a few percent don't is a lie.
Want to reduce miscarriages? Use birth control.
How deep is your head in the sand? Democrats and pro-choice folk are consistently trying to get more money for those in socioeconomically deprived areas while those Republican and pro-birth are consistently fighting any move to improve payments to these people or improving their healthcare opportunities.
How much are Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and former CEO of Planned Parenthood Cecile Richards worth?
Then come back and lecture me about wealthy old white men who want to tell women what to do with their bodies and don’t care about people living in poverty.
I have already explained the differences. I can't dumb it down any further.
Why the constant mental gymnastics to try and push your agenda?
I admit it didn't realise your point was actually this weak - that you were trying to both sides this by comparing 'rhetoric' from the democrats with laws passed and associated jail time by the republicans.
Those poor right wing anti-mask and anti-vaccine snowflakes and their hurt feelings. Always wanting to be the victims despite no evidence to support it.
Both situations do not need to be the same. There needs to be a constant in both situations which there is; bodily autonomy.
Why are you having such difficulty with this?
Ah yes, I know, because it doesn't suit your world view.
In what way is it nitpicking? You said guaranteed.! 10-20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage.
I've outlined the comparison I was making an exhaustive amount of times at this stage.
Just because something is pointed out that doesn't suit your argument doesn't mean that you can make out that the person doing so is being unreasonable.
You're asking me questions I've already addressed, the issue was never laws that were actually passed, it was the rhetoric people were pushing. This seems to be lost on you for some reason. We could literally have this conversation forever at the rate you absorb information.
The poster in question obviously set out with a simple aim to point score against 'the left' with mental gymnastics and just landed flat on their face.
They can't even support their position by answering simple questions.
Given the much more extreme big-government restrictions by the Republicans and the right with abortion laws and associated sanctions while claiming bodily autonomy when it came to simple mask wearing, if anyone should be called out for obvious hypocrisy it should be them but this poster has continued to refuse to do so by name.
No basis for saying that. In fact all demographic trends point the other way.
RoI public opinion is pro-choice.
NI public opinion is pro-choice.
Public opinion in a future united Ireland will be pro-choice.
Nobody is obliged to form a government with anybody else, as SF have found out recently on both sides of the border.
Excluding the DUP is not excluding unionists. The DUP certainly do not represent all unionists or Protestants as you sought to imply earlier. It's very hard to see how abortion, which NI now has, which the rest of the UK has had for decades, could be at the forefront of unionists' concerns if a UI was on the cards.
It's been explained to you multiple times why the comparison you are desperate to make doesn't work. Yet you blindly persist.
For there to be inconsistency, both situations would need to be the same.
Well this isn't an arguement and if it was, the reason would be highlighting your ridiculous comparison.😉
Ridiculous. This is nitpicking in its purest form, as the vast majority of pregnancies, once not aborted of course, result in a baby. Literally a few percent don't.
I've repeatedly stated that I'm talking about the seeming indifference some people have with regards to bodily autonomy in one situation and how that clashes with their demands that it be respected in others.
Vaccines and abortions are the issues where attitudes towards bodily autonomy seem to be fluid.
I'm not discussing the morality of vaccines or abortions, I talking about the inconsistent morality of some people with regard to bodily autonomy.
You're just picking an argument for no reason at this point.
Im fully aware of what autonomy means. It's your desperate attempt to compare abortion with vaccines is where the problems arise.
I personally don't care if people take a vaccine s or not. I never suggested people should be made to. Now you just seem to be resorting to attributing claims to me, that I didn't make.
What I did say was how ridiculous your comparison was and the mental gymnastics you engaged in to support that comparison.
What did you set out here to demonstrate?
What people would that be? What goalposts do you think are being moved?
What could eventually be a baby. There is no guarantee that a pregnancy will produce a viable foetus. That this has to be pointed out to you is shocking.
