If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Find myself wondering if Francie will be doing a Mary lou and purging his posting history when it comes to Russia. 😂
How did what help Ukraine?
Look, put your cards on the table here and stop playing games. Is Russia invading Ireland a credible threat or not?
Ukraine was invaded for a specific set of reasons. Saying we share those specifics is loony tune nonsense.
McManus' "explaination" is limp as f*ck and won't wash with people.
SF could well do with putting their hands up and swallowing that they provided comfort to Putin.
This is not something SF will be able to worm out of.
You know my record Francie, I've stuck up for SF when some of the criticism got ridiculous, but they deserve a hammering on this front, and deep down you know it.
They could go a long way to earning some respect back if they admitted they f*cekd up.
What 'history'?
The lies here are getting out of control and the usual pile on.
Speaking of tunes, you certainly changed yours recently.
Because not long ago you stated that any upgrade to defend ourselves in the air was a waste of money because you were happy the Brits were doing it for us for free.
Which, as there is an agreement to do it (hence you have to assume it is mutually beneficial) means there is absolutely no need to waste money on this. We buy in services all the time.
Another about change from Francie.
Who precisely is saying Russia invading Ireland is a high probability event? Nobody. You're pumping words into people's mouths here and you should cease.
Are Russia a live risk to the security of the state across other threat domains? Blatantly and blindingly obviously.
There is no pile, just people calling out blatant hypocrisy.
Where is the 'change'?
I am happy to allow the British to protect themselves. No 'change' there.
Such as?
I have never supported Russian aggression or Russia itself. I wouldn't look for Russian support for anything on the basis of how they treat their people and minorities much less other sovereign territories, unlike our government for instance, who can turn the blind eye when it suits.
not at all, just people trying to make irrelevant nonsense into a big issue that it will never be.
SF had 1 view and then that view changed, nothing wrong with that and shows they are right for government, and more and more people are agreeing dispite the smeer campaign attempt.
Although they had a large border i am not sure how much of a cultural link they have. possibly they do. But the question was what democratic country like Ireland has ever been invaded by a country it has no cultural link to since ww2. Afghanistan was not democratic in 1982.
Foreign policy is one big problem for Sinn Fein. Cosying up to Columbia, Castro and Russia, opposing every single EU referendum, belligerent attitude to the UK, etc.
There will be problems for them in any government if they continue on that ridiculous path.
As for posters' history, those that have a history of blindly following Sinn Fein down every path will be exposed again by these u-turns. For example, does @FrancieBrady and others still believe it was wrong to rely on UK and EU intelligence over Salisbury?
It is always wrong to rely on intelligence you have not seen.
Do you believe that the UK and US have not carried out spook missions in their own interest here and abroad themselves by the way?
As for 'cosying up', if traipsing over to Russia begging for a vote at the UN is not 'cosying up', what is?
Your problem here blanch is as usual, you want it each and every way. And your prime reason for wanting us in NATO is because the Shinners are against it. No credibility left.
You can't even admit that you were wrong about Salisbury, your posts on Russia over the last few years, as demonstrated above, have been shameful.
Back this up.
What posts on Salisbury and Russia are you talking about?
You just repeated it here.
You want Ireland to invest so we have a capable military yet your previous comments stated that you didn't want us to have any capacity whatsoever to defend our own airspace as its a 'waste of money'.
Egg.on.face
Repeated what?
That it is 'always wrong to rely on intelligence you have not seen'?
That is not supporting Russia blanch, no matter what way you cut it or spin it. It is a simple fact that there are very good reasons not to trust British or American intelligence.
Which is all that happened, nobody condoned or supported what happened at Salisbury.
What?
Who is threatening our airspace? Nobody.
And where did I say I didn't want any capacity?
You guys need to lie and misrepresent all the time here.
I just posted an example of you poo-pooing the idea of Russian aggression to European countries as sure the only reason they were doing it to Britain was because of their own imperialist past.
Here are other examples..
I see NO need to protect against something that is no threat.
Then why want MORE investment in our military all of a sudden?
I just don't see the point. I understand there are those who like all the boys toys aspect, but we have other priorities.
Dont see the point then.... yet here you are blaming the government on our defence capability.
...and of course your real motivation.
Self righteousness? Isn't that the very thing in that allows the British to 'police' the immoral world.
The very thing that has the Russians trolling them?
Im sure the Russian are just 'Trolling' the Ukrainians, and all the dead civilians that they are laying waste to. Once the Birts get a bloody nose, you are happy, regardless of what evils the perpetrator does.
Ah, the old Putin-Bot talking points come out again.
"I didn't see the docs myself, so I'm not going to believe anything the Brits/Americans have to say about my beloved Russian friends in the Kremlin"
You DO KNOW that there were intelligence reports from many European states that corroborated the story about the Salisbury attack?
Or have you forgotten about them in the midst of your little rant?
Here you are again, defending the Russian state by proxy, all with the veneer of trying to get to the truth, when you have absolutely no interest in the truth, but want to play silly little word games with 'whataboutism'
So why do you want to invest in Ireland's military capacity?
You said this TODAY!!
Cant have it each way Francie.
What is this evidence of Mark?
It's not in the slighest pro Russian, it is critical of some things the West and NATO engage in. Which seemingly gets you hung and quartered.
If you wish to follow blindly those who lied about what 'intelligence' said before in order to start a war, you go right ahead. I ain't blindly following you.
Now if you can show posts where I claimed Russia didn't carry out Salisbury or where I supported what they allegedly did, you might have a point about me being pro Putin.
Deeply distrusting those who have lied before is not support for Putin.
Regrettably for you, Mary Lou McDonald opposed the expulsion of a Russian diplomat from Ireland in response to the Salisbury poisoning.
Sinn Fein may as well have offered Putin a handjob.
This is a massive failure of the party in the first instance adopting some sort of edgelord position, and a second-order failure in refusing to fess up to getting a major foreign policy strand incredibly wrong.
Bull clap tbh.
Suspicions of those who have already lied to start an aggression is not support for Putin.
it's just a conveinient namecalling in order to support your desire for us to join NATO. Transparent as newly cleaned glass, in other words.
SF f*cked up Francie. Everyone with eyeballs knew what they were looking at with the Salisbury poisoning, even SF. And it wasn't the first time that the Russian governemnt sent assassins across borders to murder in Europe.
sf would have plenty of experience sending assassins across Europe to murder and main too though so you can see why they would be a bit pro Russian
SF didn't trust intelligence they hadn't seen from a government intelligence agency that they have decades of experience with. Simple and as uncomplicated as that.
It's still not support for Putin.
This pro-Putin nonsense about anyone distrustful of the British and US has not washed with the Irish public and it is not washing here either.
Its very funny tbf, anything against the Govt these days and ur either pro Putin or Trump.
Russian money flowing through the IFSC count = Not Pro Putin
