If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Why would they lie about Iraq or Ireland etc?
I didn’t say they lied about Salisbury just that they cannot be trusted.
I'm more worried that it was a 5 eyes report. And IIRC New zealand was the only one not agree to sanction Russia. why would 4 out of the 5 lie makes no sense.
Why would they lie about Salisbury?
For what purpose? To what end?
Not only is Rep Of Ireland the most vulnerable in West Europe now but also the easiest target for a rogue nation who wants to attack the west by any means available. We need a 10-year plan to upgrade our armed forces. We absolutely must start with a national intel service that has clout and muscle. there are a lot of iffy characters here that need to be monitored and dealt with.
If joining NATO meant that Ireland had to spend 2% of GDP on cyber security then crack on. Perfectly sensible thing to do.
If it means spending that money on military hardware then it's far less sensible use of resources. None of your "threats" to Ireland are military though.
SF thread that away >>>
What have I said about Russia?
I hate their intolerence and aggression?
You want me to change that opinion?
So if they are a 'nothing party', what's the big deal about them?
You want this debate every way.
I didn't read beyond that line. Nonsense pivoting argument with the usual biased agenda, that gets nowhere.
Changing your opinion is fine, if done with honesty and humility.
SF were completely wrong on Russia, as were you. Do you accept that you and they were wrong?
SF have abandoned every single core tenet that originally gave them a reason to exist, all they have left now to go through the motions of pretending to be Republicans and Nationalists is to be reflexively anti British, except when it comes to cashing their cheques from HM Government. 😂
They weren't given them, because they were a nothing party with no power and were happy to get on a soapbox and support Putin by giving out about diplomats being expelled.... roll on a few years they are jumping up and down wanting the complete opposite.
However, there were plenty of reports about it at the time. SF just choose to ignore them as if it were an ostrich.
In the immortal words of Eamon Dunphy, "they were found out, Bill!'
Was it not 5 eyes intelligence alliance report ?
Nonsense, you posted stuff and then put your own spin on it.
And BY THE WAY, my opinion changes all the tme. What is the problem with changing your views?
When were they given these intelligence reports?
Britain and it's intelligence agency are not to be trusted. There is a significant cohort in Britain itself who don't not just SF.
I posted your words in multiple posts now which has shown you multiple times saying one thing before and saying another thing now. That is all I have done, yet you take exception to being found out, not for the first time mind.
Handwave and distract away all you want now, but we all know now words mean little to you, once you get chance to soapbox about something close to your heart.
Didnt you get the green memo?
Estonia is an American and British stoogeswho are trying to trick little old Ireland into Imperial wars abroad by getting close to NATO. After all, it's all the fault of the Brits/Americans anyway.
SF didn't trust intelligence they hadn't seen from a government intelligence agency that they have decades of experience with. Simple and as uncomplicated as that.
You are ignoring, yet again, that SF also choose to ignore intellegence reports from all other European countries because it didn't conform with their core belief that Britain is always the enemy, regardless of whether Russian Hitmen are involved.
Your continued defence of SF in this instance is both hilarious and typical.
Nato has not expanded. A group of friendly countries have decided to join a defensive alliance. Not the same thing.
We don't need to join NATO. We don't need to spend 2% of our GDP on weapons. That prick MM should be reined in now. The guy is on a farewell tour of Europe thinking he's a great statesman. He's a joke, a pathetic weak little man, just perfect for the job he's no doubt after in Brussels. That man would happily do what Sweden did and push through our membership without a referendum on the matter. We are a neutral country and we should remain that way. The Swedish people weren't happy about it either, it's a new one on me that a government can bypass it's electorate and get away with saying opinion polls showed support for NATO membership so a referendum wasn't necessary. It's a dangerous road to go down.
I guess all the millenials who always wondered what the Cold War was like, are about to find out what it was like for real. Based on todays announcments of NATO expansion.
If Ireland is not at risk, why is it considering cooperating with Nato in the area of hybrid and cyber warfare.
If Ireland is not at threat, why did it recently join Nato’s Malware Information Sharing Platform, which allows for the sharing of details of cyberattacks in real time between member states.
If Ireland is not at risk why in 2019 did it join the Nato Co-operative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence in Tallinn, Estonia, to which a small number of Irish personnel are seconded.
Surely all those who are distrustful of the Brits and Americans should be up in arms about neutral Ireland cosying up to Nato.
Its very funny tbf, anything against the Govt these days and ur either pro Putin or Trump.
Russian money flowing through the IFSC count = Not Pro Putin
It's still not support for Putin.
This pro-Putin nonsense about anyone distrustful of the British and US has not washed with the Irish public and it is not washing here either.
sf would have plenty of experience sending assassins across Europe to murder and main too though so you can see why they would be a bit pro Russian
SF f*cked up Francie. Everyone with eyeballs knew what they were looking at with the Salisbury poisoning, even SF. And it wasn't the first time that the Russian governemnt sent assassins across borders to murder in Europe.
Bull clap tbh.
Suspicions of those who have already lied to start an aggression is not support for Putin.
it's just a conveinient namecalling in order to support your desire for us to join NATO. Transparent as newly cleaned glass, in other words.
Regrettably for you, Mary Lou McDonald opposed the expulsion of a Russian diplomat from Ireland in response to the Salisbury poisoning.
Sinn Fein may as well have offered Putin a handjob.
This is a massive failure of the party in the first instance adopting some sort of edgelord position, and a second-order failure in refusing to fess up to getting a major foreign policy strand incredibly wrong.
If you wish to follow blindly those who lied about what 'intelligence' said before in order to start a war, you go right ahead. I ain't blindly following you.
Now if you can show posts where I claimed Russia didn't carry out Salisbury or where I supported what they allegedly did, you might have a point about me being pro Putin.
Deeply distrusting those who have lied before is not support for Putin.
What is this evidence of Mark?
It's not in the slighest pro Russian, it is critical of some things the West and NATO engage in. Which seemingly gets you hung and quartered.
So why do you want to invest in Ireland's military capacity?
You said this TODAY!!
Cant have it each way Francie.
