The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
What's the alternative? 9 unelected judges decide what they think the law should be? Obviously, amendment is the answer but it's not the judges' fault if the political branch can't manage to do it.
Tbh they should have a vote on bining the current one and creating a new one set in this century. but we no that will never happen via dems or reps.
No. Not in the EU Parliament. Imagine if Ireland got the same number of MEPs as Germany or Spain?
At the council of ministers, yes, but the EU is not a federal state so comparisons with the US are not valid. Each EU member remains a fully sovereign nation state.
The EU has no jurisdiction over matters like health or abortion or divorce, despite all the scaremongering from conservative catholics in the 80s and 90s that "Europe" was going to impose divorce or abortion on holy catholic Ireland.
This "founding fathers" BS is one of the most ridiculous things about America. As if it's not crazy to attempt to decide 21st century issues by somehow divining the supposed views of a bunch of 18th century slave owners.
No idea, it's a tricky one. Would you have to report the rape for example ? or would your word be enough. Why i'm not a legislator tbh. this kind of minutiae of the law is best left to those that understand the ramifications.
Is this thread about the policy of abortion or about whether the US Supreme Court correctly interpreted their constitution?
I voted for removing the 8th from the Irish Constitution, but it isn't clear to me that the US Constitution has anything to say about abortion. I have read the opinion (Roe and the new Dobbs one) and I have listened to Oral Arguments in Dobbs. As frustrating as it may be, I'm not sure allowing 9 people on the Supreme Court to just decide what the law is without a basis in the text is a good idea.
Rewriting history now?
Nothing was "reformed". The 1861 law that was in place before the 8th amendment stayed in place until 2013. The only change in 2013 was to try to give doctors enough clarity about the law to not leave women to die.
The amendment wasn't Fitzgerald's idea. The wording was actually endorsed by FF out of pure political opportunism, he regarded it as deeply flawed (As pointed out by such as Mary Robinson and subsequently proven right), he wanted a different wording, but in a free vote in the Dail the FF-endorsed wording prevailed.
Still though it's a great black mark on his political career that his government were unable to prevent this vile misogynistic amendment being put to the people. It should never have been allowed to happen and was a real low point in Irish politics. Thankfully, ever since the tide has been going out on the power of the Catholic church generally in this country, and politically in particular.
How would you legislate in the case of rape?
It's supposed to be but France and Germany run the Eu.
No true any government of the day can change them. I support abortion in Rape and incest and medical needs for example.
I care about staying on topic.
Youre telling me you don’t care about abortion rights in Poland since you haven’t yet started a thread on it. That’s your level of cognition here. It’s sophomoric.
If my words resonated with you there must be a reason.
These rulings will have zero effect on Ireland, thankfully. Abortion rights are here to stay.
So you care about pregnant women in the US, but you dont care about pregnant women in Europe?
In your own words: I really cannot understand why anyone would make such a huge dick of a statement.
This ruling hands the power to change back to the States.
If people in a state want abortion they can vote accordingly, their choice. The power now in their hands once again.
Is the will or interest there to do so?
We'll see.
There was no sizeable push to force people to take the vaccine or else go to jail. Given the country on topic here - please point to one US state that brought in that law.
You seem very hurt by words or 'pressure' and far less concerned with actual laws imposed by big-government Republicans that will jail women for making decisions regarding their own bodies.
Its almost as if the USA is a federation of seperate states.
I think it's the case yes. Kind of a double edged sword in a way.
Precisely why America needs to have a new constitution fit for purpose in the 21st century. It's unfair how the majority can be overruled by a tiny minority which hold views that are complete anathema to current norms and this groundhog day needs to stop or a load of people will get damaged that will create massive societal repercussions for decades to come even after Abortion becomes legal again, with or without Supreme Court ruling.
It's the same way the EU represents its members surely.
That's how the founding fathers created the states. So Small voices could not be silenced by a larger state. Like it or loathe it that's the way it is.
It's a symptom where the views of Senators from low populated states like Nebraska, Idaho, Wyoming, Oklahoma,etc. are allowed to have the same weight in the senate as those who live in the major 'liberal' cities and coastal which are home to the majority of Americans, therefore allowing them to completely distort political debate which allows people with brains completely sieved to get elected. Ultimately rural states at a future constitutional convention will need to have their political power curtailed and they will have no one but themselves to blame after electing representatives with disgusting views on how America should look as a country.
They were condemned by the EU parliament for the regressive policy and it was definitely discussed on here.
I'm admitting what? The central point of what I was saying?
The fact is that the number of people calling for forced vaccination wasn't a tiny by any means and they tended to be left leaning and by extension pro choice by default.
Our own main stream media vilified anyone who didn't take a vaccine, the reasons cited were typically that those people were far right conspiracy nut jobs who didn't deserve to be respected. It's notable that this rhetoric reached a crescendo right before the severity of covid began to wane at the beginning of this year.
Ireland is an extremely "progressive" country nowadays and that backdrop meant that even the more extreme ideas about vaccine mandates spouted on our airwaves and in our print media were largely unchallenged. Maybe that's why you recall that situation differently?
There are a significant number of people who want an a la carte approach to bodily autonomy and the contrast between their views on the same when seen through the lenses of covid and abortion are indicative of hypocrisy.
I have no idea what you are on about: last I checked, Poland was not within the jurisdiction of the US Supreme Court. Arkansas is. As are 49 other states and other territories I have a passport for, but no not Poland.
The efforts to deflect are mesmerizing. Did you want to start a thread about Polish abortion rights or was that just a complete whinge?
How many times have you defended pregnant women in Poland who couldn't get an abortion and still can't? zero
And you dont care about the 13 yo pregnant child in Arkansas either, other than helping you win an argument online.
That's how much the left cares about the poor and the underprivileged
I haven't seen anyone complaining about that, but somehow everyone is hands in the air for the one poor underprivileged woman in the state of Arkansas who needs an abortion right now.
Yeah, only one **** womb in the whole state that might have been raped or need an emergency procedure right?
In 2020 there were 3,154 abortions performed in Arkansas.
https://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/images/uploads/pdf/induced_abortions_final_2020.pdf
I really cannot understand why anyone would make such a huge dick of a statement.
It's not projecting when the obvious legal direction being taken by the GQP is an overall ban. Yes, it hasn't happened it. The important thing is, now, it can.
The next step is unknown, for now abortion in the US is legal. So far you are projecting.
There are European countries were abortion is currently illegal. I haven't seen anyone complaining about that, but somehow everyone is hands in the air for the one poor underprivileged woman in the state of Arkansas who needs an abortion right now.
For anyone interested in reading the plain text and/or listening to it in audiobook firmat this is worth a look
You're at best being incredibly naive here. There was dozens of States with old laws or trigger laws that meant that their decision to overturn settled law meant that abortion was banned.
For the rest they are sending the decision to the states where they have ruled that they are okay with incredible levels of gerrymandering which means bans can be imposed against the will of a majority in the state.
That isn't getting into the likely push for a federal ban that has already picked up momentum (along with ending of same sex marriage, gay relationships, contraception etc)
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