Call peace ? are we forgetting the UN busses that were fired upon outside of mariupol several times even though there was an agreement to rescue civilians.
I am calling for peace that stops the killing as soon as possible. If you’re against the cessation of violence then that’s on you.
100k behind the front line at a russian military airbase
You drop by the thread, say that Russian ethnics are being persecuted, offer up f*ck all evidence because there is none and then fold your arms saying "I guess we just disagree."
Then you call for a "peace" that amounts to a Ukrainian surrender to dismemberment in the face of invasion and murder.
And you're trying to convince anyone that this isn't Putinist toilet seat sniffing? Up the yard.
You've been rumbled good Kremlinite.
Given that you’re never going to believe that people in Donbass have suffered persecution, we are at an impasse.
You choose to believe the lads wearing the yellow and black swastikas on black sun symbols were not persecuting the ethnic minorities in Ukraine if it makes you feel better.
I’ll choose to argue the need for a peace treaty that recognises Ukraine’s political reality to be hammered out as soon as possible.
The best way to show that Donbas is a real part of Russia was to ruin it, and kill vast amounts of people for no reason.
It's what Russia does to its own and always has.
You wrote: "This is bad guy vs bad guy, with innocent people in the middle."
Of course you were drawing a moral equivalence and are just trying to weasel out of it now you've been found out.
You are only back tracking on whatever lies you have been challenged on. It is a tactic seen before by those disseminating Russian propaganda.
You said Ukraine was engaged in ethnic cleansing in Donbas.
This is a lie and if you stand over it you are a liar.
Moscow has launched an illegal invasion of a neighbouring country, has indiscriminately targeted residential cites with widespread attacks, has committed war crimes, has executed civilians in Bucha, has deliberately targeted civilian refuges and medical facilities with heavy weapons. You have drawn a false equivalence between Ukraine's actions in Donbas 2014-2021 and Russia's in 2022, or even for that matter that of Russia and separatists in 2014-2021. An equivalence which is without foundation.
Ukraine is a democracy. It has signed political agreements with the EU committing it to progress on human rights, rooting out corruption, and eventually becoming an EU member state.
Russia is a gangster fascist dictatorship.
To put Ukraine in the same camp as them as equally 'murdering regime' is morally bankrupt, and can only be done through an utterly dishonest misrepresentation of the facts.
First off. It's not a regime, and the use of that word is a little rhetorical sleight of hand you're trying to pull. It's a democratically elected government reflecting the will of it's people. And while we're at it, do a little probing to find out how many 'far-right' parliamentarians were elected. The result will dissapoint you given the grandstanding about the huge far right problem in Ukraine.
You're proffered zero evidence that the Ukrainian government is murderous as you claim. And you're not going to because it's absolute horsesh*t.
Putinist. We see you. Your sock character may be one where you pose as a 'straight down the line honest broker', but your arse is clearly hanging out.
So it seems Turkey has dropped its opposition to Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
Good.
Well done Putin, you've fcuked yourself over even more. Lol.
Because I feel for the Donbas civilians who are caught between a government that despises them and has had no issue with dropping the odd shell on their towns for the past 8 years to remind them so, and a foreign invader that wants to use them to claim Ukrainian territory.
Call me old fashioned but when armed militias sporting stylised wolfshead swastikas are armed and employed by the government to ethnically cleanse parts of east Ukraine within the last decade, that bothers me, and I feel it’s worth mentioning amongst all of the “glory to hero’s” talk.
You are 100%correct on the West underestimating the store of Russian weaponry, it may be old and by Western standards near primitive but a 155 shell from 1960 is still going to be a problem if they are landing daily in thousands .
Russia is not holding back its latest weapons in case of NATO and NATO are not going to care if they do, the gap is still incredible in terms of capabilities.
Could Russia beat Poland, hard to see it, could Russia even beat the tiny force that the US have in Europe, not a hope.
Russia have a lump hammer Army, Brutal, rough but it can be deadly against a smaller opponent.
Go Bulgaria! 70 diplomats being expelled is a phenomenal amount.
You may as well be saying that the UK had its issues in 1940.
Undeniably true, but so **** what?
Show me where I’ve back pedalled.
I stand by everything I said. Kiev is 100% a murdering regime as is Moscow.
Ukraine are morally in the right to defend their homeland against invaders, so the moral comparison ends there. Russia are on the wrong side of this war. Nothing I’ve said is inconsistent with that position which I’ve held throughout.
In the 2012 BBC documentary..Putin, Russia and the west.
It was either Medeyev or Lavrov said to camera that Putin wanted Ukraine.
Putin and his agents can make the situation.
Well done to him for taking action. A lot of evidence of Russian interference in the no-confidence motion he faced.
Well I know several people who have personally been attacked or abused by the Ukrainian military since 2014 so I’m going to stick with what I’ve been told by actual people in Ukraine rather than angry internet guy, if that’s all ok with you. The campaign against ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine is a historical reality, regardless of your opinion.
Ukraines far right problem is also a well documented fact, as reported for many years by virtually every major western media outlet. You can stick your head in the sand all you want about it.
Does it justify the Russian invasion? No, and never said nor implied that it did.
Join date checks out.
He's backpedaling at a rate of knots now.
Disgusting. Coming into this thread thinking he'll get to float Kremlinite lies under the guise of faux concern for Ukraine and fake cries for peace.
We see you Putinite. We'll always see you.
So why bring it up?
No one actually thinks the Ukrainian government is a utopia.
The BBC have done a great job fact checking the numerous lies being told by the Kremlin and the psycho Putin bots on social media about Kremenchuk. The mall was fully open and operating as normal - they link to a video filmed 'inside' the mall on Sunday with shoppers going about their daily business. They've also established that there were two missile strikes and the idea that fire somehow spread from the factory blast to the shopping mall is very fetched.
Weasel words, you said a lot more than that, including accusations of ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians which have no basic in reality.
You are only walking back the Russian propaganda lies you posted because they has been challenged on this thread.
Why are we having a hard time computing it?
You wrote "it's murdering regime v murdering regime", a clear attempt at drawing a moral equivalence between them.
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119262115/#Comment_119262115
What persecution of ethic Russians in Donbas? That's a concoction of Russian nationalists as a pretext for hybrid warfare, and this entire sorry mess. They tried the same stunts in Latvia and Estonia going back decades.
If you're worried about far right movements and militias, you have a more severe problem in Russia to worry about before you ever get to Ukraine.
You can meet Russian ethnics from Donetsk and Lukhansk regions tomorrow if you want. Go down to your local refugee centre and start with that palaver, you'll be sent packing with your theories stuffed up your arse and a bloody nose.
I didn’t say they were morally equivalent, I just said I’m not a fan of Kievs government and condemned some of their actions, particularly supporting and arming far right militias, and the persecution of ethnic Russians in Donbas.
This doesn’t mean I support Moscow. Some people seem to be having a hard time computing this.
He and Sean Treacy were fascinating from the point of view that they were old style gunmen. They could hold there nerve in a gunfight as they showed at the Fernside gun battle and at the Knocklong rescue. The death of Treacy was interesting as well because it was a gun battle. He shot dead one British intelligence office and wounded another before being killed by machine gun fire from an armoured car. Fernside was similar in that they awoke in a safe house with the house being broken into. Two British offices were killed along with some soldiers. One of the British officers was deliberately hunting Treacy.and Been believing them to have killed his brother.
These officers would have been very experienced warrior's for the want of a better word, having experience in WWI and being capable in handling weapons in a battlefield situation but Treacy and Been would have been capable of surviving most old West gunfights
You didn't "bring up uncomfortable points". You drew a moral equivalence between Ukraine and Russia in the 2022 conflict by calling them both murderous regimes.
Nobody says Ukraine in 2014-2021 was a paragon of virtue. But to present Ukraine and Russia as morally equivalent can only be done via reliance on Russian propaganda lies, which you repeat here.
You've been threadbanned. You know where the door is.
And don't bother re-registering either.
You would lose that bet
Anyway it is clear that this thread is populated by those who get there warfare knowledge from COD and Hollywood, eventually reality will catch up with them, until then they can believe Russia is losing.
Russia is operating on a you break it you pay for it basis, the land been fought over now will be Russia when all is said and done, I imagine right up to the Dnieper river and the entire south coast.
The EU is dangling membership in front of the Ukrainian people as a incentive to keep fighting, it will never happen, all that will be left of Ukraine will be a burnt out husk , all the young men dead and all the young women have fled east as refugees to never return, it will be a money pit, the EU will cut them loose and all this war will have been for nothing.
Enjoy your fantasies of putting a beating on Red Ivan, as that’s all it will be, a fantasy.
Sanctions are only hurting the EU, won’t be long before it pushes the more eager for war to look for peace, and never forget only 15% of the world is sanctioning Russia, the rest are getting down to business, in fact countries are apply to join the BRICS.
The world is moving on as the EU/US try to drag Russia into a big war to distract from their failed monetary policies.
The idiots in charge of the EU are sending us down the path to rack and ruin, laugh all you want at me, call me a Putin bot, you won’t be laughing come Autumn.
You'll get your peace when the Russian army is in retreat and tamed in Ukraine and not a minute before. That's what the Ukrainian government and people demand, and that's what the West is arming them to achieve.
The latest wheeze is "peace talks" because the Russian army has been charged with achieving political goals and not military ones in a phase of the war where they know they could crack the Russian state if they start going backwards. That and their at the limits of what they can achieve as a land-grab right now.
Your suckling at the tit of Russian bullsh*t. Sell it to someone who's actually buying. Because very few here are buying it beyond re-regs and political extremists.
If you're trying to convince me or anyone else that you pushing known Kremlin nonsense about coups, NED and Banderites is a mere coincidence, and that in fact your clutching your pearls for Ukraine and just want peace, take it to Hyde Park Speakers Corner. You might get a hearing there.
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