The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
Who was forced? Details please. Government and private businesses are well within their rights to have rules requiring vaccination, like every school everywhere for example.
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Read the post. Did I saw mail order pills were ok? NO I DID NOT say they were ok. But people are free to chose if they agree with them. Nbty.
Some were forced into getting the vaccine, more were heavily coerced, many were blackmailed.
If you can't discern the difference between incentivising the Public to get life saving vaccines in order to combat a global pandemic, and forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, I don't know what to say.
Despite your waffle, no one was forced to receive the covid vaccine.
how transphobe of you, you dont think that males and other-unspecified-non-conforming genders with wombs should have a voice in the debate?
That 'human body' is not viable for a large portion of the pregnancy. Meanwhile, the woman it needs to survive can go through absolute hell just carrying it. You'll dismiss is as 'hyperbolic' but until you have had a partner going through pregnancy, you quite frankly know f*ck all. My partner went through the ringer during her pregnancy to the point that she doesn't want another child and you're here saying 'sure it isn't a disease'. The sheer lack of respect you have for women is astounding.
You have zero right to tell any woman what to do with their own body. Mind your own f*cking business.
What an absolutely pathetic response when you ignore any valid point that is put towards you. Stupid bollocks about 'ugh progressives' 'durr liberals'. Change the record and get some new material instead of peddling the same nonsense that's thrown out by losers with nothing better to do in their lives.
Just to repeat for you in case you're too stupid to read - mind your own f*cking business. My partner, my daughter, my sisters and any of the women in my life won't be lectured about what they can do with their own bodies by someone as nosey as you are.
I'd wonder what goes on in ones mind that makes them think they can tell a woman what they can and can't do with their own bodies, but yet here we are.
Another lazy one-liner from the progressive handbook I guess. This time last year the mantra was "Follow the science" - well @Faugheen the science tells you that there is another human body involved. Another human body that deserves protection which is provided for in law. What we disagree on is where the law doesn't offer adequate protection.
The frequency is very relevant. Every time the abortion debate comes around an onlooker would be forgiven for thinking that the world is full of rapists who's only goal is to impregnate as many women as possible with the rhetoric that the progressives trot out.
That is of course unless the foetus has the misfortune of being the product of rape — at which point many pro-lifers utterly abandon their morals and ethics regarding the value of a human foetus and are happy for it to be killed (using their terminology).
I can assure you that anyone who is ProLife is anything but happy for it to be killed - such a poor attempt at projecting what you think others would feel in such instances. Human life in the womb is still human life and avoiding the destruction of human life should be encouraged as much as possible, however cases like rape and incest resulting in pregnancy are thankfully rare and for the mental health and wellbeing of the mother it may be necessary for such abortions. Much like if the life and health of the mother is at risk too.
There is no wall of hypocrisy in that despite what you think you see.
"My body my choice" after a few years of trying to force people to get vaccinated too. Pointing out hypocrisy is worthless though sadly, as it causes them no shame, as they are shameless. They are ruthless when it comes to gaining power, so things like principles don't even factor into their politics.
Also, any post you disagree with is 'juvenile' or 'childish'. Maybe you need to look at the common denominator instead of aiming to dismiss every valid point that is put to you just because you don't have an answer for it.
Oh, and if one of 'em needs an abortion, they get it. Even at the clinics they boycott. https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
What goes on in one's mind to come up with a statement like that first line?
Seriously.
The level of debate from those of a liberal leaning position can be incredibly juvenile. It's like they all got the one handbook for debating points and rote learned the one-line responses. They then have the audacity to complain about religious brain-washing.
You have so called liberals/progressives wanting to ban guns because of shooting incidents and then in the same breath telling people that banning abortions won't stop it happening.
The mind truly boggles.
China and Saudi Arabia :)
We are alraedy boycotting Russia, now you want us to boycott America. What are the morally approved countries we can buy from?
the drama! LOL
Yeah, a woman seeking an abortion should make that decision with her doctor, and that 20 percent of people pressuring her should mind their own f*cking business.
Really don't understand the point you were trying to make there.
Also, pro-life people being in favour of abortion as an option for rape and incest is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever heard. 'You can't kill your baby... except for this. Kill away'.
It just shows how stupid they are and how little they genuinely care about the babies. Once the babies are born, f*ck them.
The frequency is irrelevant, because the question of rape and the common response (which you have in turn “wheeled out”) that even many pro-lifers support abortion as an option for rape victims underpins the moral inconsistency which lies at the heart of the pro-life argument.
Those of the anti-abortion persuasion tell us that the foetus is a human being whose right to life trumps the feelings or motivations of the mother. They tell us that even at the embryonic/foetal stage, the value and sanctity of life must be upheld. That is of course unless the foetus has the misfortune of being the product of rape — at which point many pro-lifers utterly abandon their morals and ethics regarding the value of a human foetus and are happy for it to be killed (using their terminology). It is a supreme moral hypocrisy which, while conveniently helping them escape from having to defend the indefensible, also involves them abandoning the morals on which they base their pro-life beliefs in the first place. In simpler terms, in cases of rape, these people will tacitly admit that a foetus is something different from a human with all the rights to life they would otherwise invoke.
As for those who take the hardline view that, even in cases of rape, abortion should never be permissible — their moral consistency remains impressively intact, but their beliefs are tyrannical. This is why it is always important to mention cases like rape, regardless of the frequency, because it’s where the morals underpinning the pro-life argument crash into a brick wall of hypocrisy.
Which God?
Not at all. You are free to say it all you like. I would say the same to any person using their religion as reference point in a discussion. Religion is a very subjective and doesn't marry well with robust debates. It doesn't further discussion and usually stifles it.
It's absolutely pointless as it's YOUR religion, not anyone elses.
I'm sure plenty of people share a lot of your beliefs, but YOUR belief is yours and yours alone. A little bit like a fingerprint or a snowflake.
You are right that millions share your belief but millions of catholics across the world and in ireland are prochoice. Enforcing a minority view on the majority will eventually fail.
Why is it that anti abortionists are usually on the same side as those wanting more guns in schools?
Is it a embracing the rapture thing?
Why would I keep it to myself? Do we not live in a free society where people can say and do as they please as long as they physically do no harm to themselves or to others. Or is it just catholics who must watch what they say.
hypocrite thy name is the dunne.
nobody else shares my belief - millions right across the world and across religions feel like me. There are millions of us and the American Supreme Court action gives us all hope that God is answering our prayers
So for 80% its not. For them you are taking away their choice. A white knight indeed.
It's amazing how "their rapist's baby" get's wheeled out, though this example is missing the usual 15-year old rape victim included.
How many abortions are happening owing to rape? Answer - it's barely 1% 3711005.pdf (guttmacher.org) Page 113.
Incest 0.5% in there too.
The vast majority of people including alot of ProLife people support abortion as an option for victims of rape and incest.
Now, one thing that jumps out of the data is pressure from partner/husband/parents accounts for up to 20% of factors in seeking an abortion - yet you'll have some on here telling you that it's between the woman and the doctor and everyone else should mind their own "fcuking" business.
Ahh, o.k. you're good with ru486 etc. being obtained via mail then? As long as it's prescribed appropriately?
Precription medication is approved for use only when it is precribed by a medical doctor. Any medication obtained without a precsription either by post or other means is unregulated and carries a very high risk. All medication has potential to cause adverse affects, and many have contraindications, for example .. Do not use if you take medication X, have high blood pressure, are pregnant, etc.. i think you will find that most people would object to a non medical professional supplying their family or friends medication without a doctors precription and dispensed by a licenced pharmacy.
This thread is about the RvW topic by the way.
That's a load of shite.
My kids don't in any way belong to the community.
And you should really keep your God stuff to yourself. Grand that you have a belief, but it's personal and unique to you. Nobody else shares your belief.
Did you really tell someone that they need medical training to know what a pregnancy is? That's up there with "I can't give you the definition of a woman because I'm not a biologist".
Cool, so you must support major reforms in terms of gun control? Cause your post history doesn't indicate you care a whole lot about issues like that. The unborn have constantly factored higher among the US right over those who have been killed in school shootings etc.
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