The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
I never used the word "majority".
As for this strawman, I've quoted the posts I replied to where the idea that originally medical abortions made up a large number of abortions in Ireland and then when that was disproved rape and domestic abuse were added in.
The facts don't favor what was being stated, we have no data about rape and domestic abuse as factors in relation to abortion so why state that these issues are relevant to a large number of abortions?
I'm not going to address your gaslighting nonsense. As usual when the facts don't suit your argument you start the mind games and bringing up notional strawmen.
I never said most or majority.
You're making up these semantics.
Can you engage like an adult or do we endlessly have to accept your pathetic infantile behavior?
I didn't ask you to interject on this, I replied to another poster, you chose to interject and now you're acting like a spoilt child.
It is a legitimate question, because there are people who are insistent on making the choices of women their own business.
You only think it's 'infantile' because this is exactly what you do. You are concerned that women are having abortions and you try to shut down anyone who tells you to mind your own business.
Are there any other languages in which I need to say DONE?
NOBODY else used the word Majority, Null, or implied it even, in their arguments re: rape & incest. Only you, in your head. Fin.
It's done now so better to.save the breath. It won't change anything
Nah, we'll keep talking about it thanks.
That ignores the entire "what now" and "what next" of the political conversation. The current affair is hardly over?
Hilarious.
If you were done why reply again?
Just because you say you're done doesn't mean I can't reply to you.
You're making things up and outright lying, you bet your ass I'm going to reply and take issue with that.
I never said majority, the only person who said majority was YOU.
Your screenshot was in reply to a different poster, I've amended the post now.
Resting my case and abandoning my right to reply are 2 different things.
What I have said I have said with evidence. You have said without evidence what will be dismissed without evidence: nowhere in this thread have I argued the majority of abortions were due to rape or incest. Nobody has made this argument. It is only you in this thread who ever insinuated or alleged that anyone else had, and I have yet to be provided any evidence that this ever took place.
How do I "make up" a screenshot of your posts?
I never said that you argued anything.
It was Frank Bullitt that I was replying to originally. You waded in. It has nothing to do with you, hard as that may be for you to believe.
It's a public forum. People wade in, and again from my reading of Franks posts back through as far as page 11, he never argued, implied, insinuated, or devilishly hoodwinked that the majority of abortions in Ireland or anywhere else were down to rape incest or health of the mother. You provided what you felt was evidence that he had, but it's simply not there.
Let's move on please: Abortions happen because of rape, incest, and medical necessity. They happen for other reasons, too. It's not our business what those reasons are or how often they arise on a statistical basis, what matters is those reasons exist and woman have a right to make that choice.
I've no issue with people wading in. Wade away, but don't make out I'm saying things about you when I'm not. I wasn't addressing you when I replied in those points, why you felt I said you were saying something you obviously never said puzzles me.
What's getting lost now is that we know medically required abortions make up a tiny amount of abortions in Ireland and we have no information on rape or domestic abuse related abortions.
Tiny is a relative term.
Less than 2% of what you add to Iron determines what kind of steel you just made, and the variety is vast.
Clearly this is language that directly marginalizes the raped woman as being in a tiny minority and 'not mattering that much'
That's a reductive interpretation Overheal not to mention an incredibly dicey statement to make about somebody.
I never stated that raped women don't matter, you have some neck saying that and you know it.
I'm gobsmacked at how low you're willing to stoop. You should be ashamed of yourself.
A woman should never have to demonstrate she was raped, victimized by incest, nor should she have to convince some jury of doctors that her procedure is absolutely, positively, medically necessary.
If that's not what you meant I apologize. Don't lecture me about interpretation though with your own neck.
It's interesting that you ignored the part where I said women have a choice whether to have sex or not(instances of rape aside). Its almost as if you don't consider not having sex as an option. Its almost as if having sex is a given and everything that comes after is beyond the control of a woman. The choice to not have sex, at any given moment, on any given day seems to be completely ignored. A woman can decide that she doesn't want to be pregnant and therfore refrains from sex. But maybe at some point in the future she can decide that being pregnant is something she is OK with and will make a conscious choice about whether to have sex. If there's no sex there's no foetus, there's no abortion. Problem averted before it can happen. So all those poor women who you say have been traumatised by an anti abortion system, they choose to engage in sex, nobody forced them and thats the choice nobody seems to want to even look at. I mean abstaining from sex.....it seems incomprehensible to most people, almost like it was an addiction.
I never argued for any of those things.
I stated that data was available for medically necessary abortions and not for abortions resulting from rape or domestic abuse.
You're going off on an emotional tangent.
I mean abstaining from sex.....it seems incomprehensible to most people, almost like it was an addiction.
Or a normal, healthy function of human life and coital intimacy?
You know it's not what I meant.
What neck are you talking about exactly? The one that allows me to posts inconvenient facts that refute people's emotive arguments?
Apology accepted though.
It wasn't a reply to you! You can just say you agree then! :O
I never challenged your arguments about stating the lack of statistical clarity we currently have, it's an accurate assessment, we don't collect this data and we both seem to agree we shouldn't either.
A potentially unlawful assembly at the AZ statehouse, as angry demonstrators approached the senate building and started banging on the windows.
This reportedly happened while the legislature was in emergency session to activate their Trigger laws or otherwise react to the Roe decision. No injuries or arrests, nobody breached the building or broke a window, but Police did elect to deploy teargas when they started banging on the glass.
a J24 AZ select committee would be dope... show us the juxtaposition between the J24 and J6 committees :)
My position is that we need to be less emotive and more rational in these discussions. I find it alarming that this is seen as a contentious stance.
"Abortions happen because of rape, incest, and medical necessity"
Why did you type this false nonsense? Its because you don't agree with the decision so you will post and say the worst things that come into your head to make the situation look far worse than it actually is.
Get the facts right before you post.
These are the top reason for abortions - Can't afford a baby (25%), Not ready for a child , Done with having Children , Not ready to be a single mother
Rape is less than 1%. Incest is 00.1%
And so it happens; you have actually proven my statement to be correct...
Abortions happen because of rape, incest, and medical necessity. They happen for other reasons, too.
Let's talk about those other reasons if you want though @Brute
Can't afford a baby (25%), Not ready for a child , Done with having Children , Not ready to be a single mother
Why aren't these valid reasons to not have a child in an impoverished home or one were the mother is not going to be committed or available to their nurture?
Bit of teargas won't hurt the orcs banging on the window, it may deter the more violent from escalating.
"Orcs" and there was a call for less emotive discussion.
It's a real problem. Whichever way you lean there are a legitimate points to be made from both sides of this issue, god forbid you don't entrench yourself into one side and refuse to acknowledge any legitimate points from the other.
Absolutely cuckoo.
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