The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
Of course it is relevant. How do you think something like you are suggesting would work in practice? It's a nonsense imo.
I don't think is gleeful...I think it's incredulous in tone and rightly so.
Sounds like you have a gripe better expressed in another thread:
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058249219/january-6-public-hearings#latest
It's not really about Roe.
Hold on, I’m open to knowing what the story is here, but surely you can’t ask a woman why she is getting an abortion, just so flippantly.
Of course they can, because they are incapable of minding their own business.
Some people think so little about aborting a fetus. They consider it on a par with blowing your nose and throwing the tissue in the bin.
Life is cheap
It's none of my business, but when people are stating that rape and domestic abuse should be assumed to be a factor it's the only reasonable means of determining if that is true or not is to ask the women availing or abortion services.
How else could we possibly know?
Or maybe people should stop making assumptions and treating those assumptions like statements of fact.
I'm not suggesting that such information should be collected, I'm merely stating the only way it could be collected.
No you can't, but you stated that rape and domestic abuse would likely be a factor.
We have statistics about how many medically required abortions are carried out so why not other issues?
Initially you made a statement that could have been interpreted as saying most abortions were carried out on medical grounds, the facts say otherwise so you move on to rape and domestic abuse.
I understand the sensitivity around asking such questions and I'm not suggesting it be something that should happen but we can't just assume these things are driving women to abortion clinics if we don't know.
The tone was smarmy and gleeful "explain to me how..."
Should we ask if a woman is having an abortion on medical grounds or if there is a fetal abnormality by that logic?
Good lord, would you actually have the gaul to ask a woman something like that? Or think it’s ok for anyone to ask a woman that? I’m being serious.
No, they really don't. What hyperbolic nonsense.
What has having the Gaul to ask question got to do with anything?
You stated that rape and domestic abuse would likely account for a lot of abortions in Ireland. There's no evidence to back that up.
You previously alluded to medically required abortions being a substantial number of Irish abortion numbers that wasn't borne out by the actual statistics, which showed that les than 2% were medically necessary.
This is the problem with this issue, too many emotionally charged arguments and not enough rational discussion.
Why do you need to ask?
Does the government need you to write them an essay every time you get a medical procedure done? What business is it of theirs?
Another poster stated that rape and domestic abuse were likely reasons that a lot of women in Ireland were availing of abortions.
We can't say for certain that this is true or false but they stated it as fact. They previously stated that medical abortions were a large part of Irish abortion stats, they aren't, I posted a link that showed they account for less than 2% of Irish abortions.
This is all on the thread and you can look back and read it at your leisure.
Try reading the thread before deciding to be offended. Just a thought.
What a woman decides to do with her own body is between her and her doctor.
Agreed.
Should we assume that certain things are causing women to have abortions? Or should we only state things as fact when we have facts to back them up?
Ah I see you're back with the 'hysterical,' 'omg you're triggered' nonsense again because you're trying to dismiss a legitimate question about what a woman does being any of your business.
So are you saying women aren't having abortions for rape or incest because there are no statistics to back them up?
I really don't get what you're trying to say here. You suggested a database be compiled for reasons women are having an abortion and now it seems you realise what a stupid idea that was and, from my interpretation, you're trying to act like I'm the one who made that suggestion?
I was reading the thread?
I'm not offended? Are you defensive?
Is it the government's business why a woman chooses to get the procedure? It IS a choice.
"Lots" is not the "Majority," if you want to split hairs. Lots of women indeed do seek abortions for rape and medical necessity. More than you can fit in one ferry.
You're missing the point in fine style.
I'm saying that stating that rape and domestic abuse account for large numbers of abortion is about as reasonable as saying medical abortions account for the same.
I don't doubt these situations occur but we can't state that a large number of of abortions occur as a result of these situations.
The only way to determine the figures would be to ask. People aren't comfortable with that so it's not going to happen so we have to accept we'll never know for sure.
It's a bit of a contradiction to say women can make decisions on abortion for themselves whilst also saying they are largely being driven to have abortions because of men.
Less than 2% of abortions in Ireland are medically necessary. We don't have the stats for rape or domestic abuse so we can't state anything relating to that with any confidence.
It doesn't seem like you're reading the thread because you'd know that Stat of you had been.
Here's the link again... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/slight-decrease-in-the-number-of-abortions-carried-out-in-ireland-last-year-report-shows-1.4607044
It is not a legitimate question...it's an infantile one.
For instance
If you don't want to take drugs don't! It's none of your business if I do"
Do you find people back away slowly from you when you ask the question?
A medical abortion is when you take pills.
I again read the thread at your insistence, and unfortunately for you I cannot see where anyone you had alluded to ever declared a "Majority" of abortions were for Rape & incest.
The post you were quoting mentions "the majority of the electorate"
I think you've subconsciously accused yourself of not being copped on to the actual semantics of the thread you're getting forceful about.
I tracked the breadcrumbs of this all the way back to page 11 of 17. You've spent several posts fighting a strawman of your own creation and I'm done with it from this point on.
From the article again for those who didn't read it for context ; "Of the other abortions, 20 were carried out due to a risk to life or health under the grounds, five due to a risk to life or health in an emergency situation, and 97 due to a fatal foetal anomaly."
@Overheal fyi
Right, and again I see nothing here that says rape & incest account for most/majority
Again, you are the only person using those semantics. I told you I am done with this strawman and this doesn't change my position.
