The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
Colleges in America are in full flow with exams.
Students are focusing on exams.
Give a month after unwinding saving cash and enjoying the summer.
Protests may be a thing in July or August.
I can't envisage anything like this happening in a true liberal democracy
Or right now.
Regardless of the circumstances, the last thing America needs is more civil unrest.
i dont get the uproar, regardless of your position. the supreme court basically said the federal government dont have the constitutional right to do anything with abortions so handed it back to the states to deal with.
if you disagree with the us constitution, thats a different matter.
if you think the judges were incorrect, can you point out where in the constitution abortions are allowed?
It's hardly a vast response, a forceful response.
It's surprisingly small.
It's the whig view of history. That societies always move towards enlightenment and social progress. I can remember posters from the same-sex marriage referendum telling people to vote yes to "end up on the right side of history", as if everything heads in one direction and we couldn't relapse and head back into greater oppression at some stage. It seems absurd now but who knows what awful things the next century could bring.
Even America has examples of this. Reconstruction lead to enfranchisement and representation for black people after their Civil War. White racists moved heaven and earth to reverse this and eventually the Federal Government got sick of the issue, so black Americans suffered from nationwide discrimination, pogroms and disenfranchisement for more than a century. It doesn't all go in one direction, especially when rights are introduced top-down or a significant bitter element of the population still seeks to reverse the changes.
I was there that day. What I saw was happy people celebrating having full control over their own bodies. No one was celebrating the murder of children.
The vote in Ireland reflected what was already known, a ban didn’t stop anything, it exported the problem and made so many Irish women travel to a different country for a medical procedure. It never stopped one abortion happening, ever.
The pendulum has only swung in America, a country going through its own very of an identity crisis and a myriad of political and social issues. Ireland doesn’t even get near that type of chaos. Abortion in Ireland won’t be up for a vote again, trying to imply that it will is real fantasy stuff.
If you want to see real wickedness and evil, take a waltz to the thread on the forum here and read about the stories of women being forced to travel before the 8th, including my aunt who was diagnosed with breast cancer and had to have an abortion before complications from her treatment would be a factor. That’s who I was thinking of and celebrating that day in Dublin Castle, she wasn’t here to see it, but she was with me that day.
I don't think that's what they said. AFAIK there is nothing to stop the passage of a federal law legalising abortion nationwide if a sufficient majority can be mustered in Congress. Essentially the same position as in Ireland since Repeal the 8th
There are already fears there may be violent protests over it this weekend - the actual decision was announced when it was still only morning in the US.
I don't know what you expect from anyone regarding that right now. Protest is unrestful. So is upending 50 years of jurisprudence. Leadership has already called for nonviolence nonthreatening demonstration.
What?
8th Amendment referendum: 66.4% YES, 33.6% NO
SSM referendum: 62.07% YES, 37.93% NO
This is going to look really ironic in another 12-24 hours.
Maybe.
Whoever wrote that work of fiction also doesn't know the difference between legalised and privatised.
Why does the right seem eager to watch riots break out?
It's become the norm, the righteous middle class mob go nuts.
Most of those dildos are just doing it for the kicks,to be part of something.
Because it's exactly the type of thing the right would want to do if they had what they felt were their rights restricted, that's why.
Is there a history of serious disorder at pro-choice protests? Did that happen when news of this ruling was leaked in May?
It will depend on how it looks in the individual states I think.
Regarding Virginia , that was more about lockdowns, schools and a useless Dem candidate that lead to Youngkin winning rather than abortion.
Youngkin today proposing no abortion after 15 weeks which is a relatively moderate position and something supported by the majority when it comes to polling.
The concern from the GOP pov is if some governors in purple states start leaning towards the six week ban which is in place in Texas which is very restrictive and not popular nationally.
Arkansas activated its trigger law this afternoon and it's now illegal to have an abortion after fetal heartbeak/6 weeks except for medical necessity, which I'm sure will be narrowly and arbitrarily defined. There is no exception for rape.
I have no idea why they think this is a great idea but all I can do is continue to watch all the pieces come crashing down, and hope the damage is minimal.
America is a a dystopia pretending to be uptopia.
There is just so much extremism: Gun lovers, Christian fundamentalist, BLM, Antifa.
Thankfully we live in relatively boring old Ireland.
It's the protestors that are the violent ones though.
Just heard from a friend who lives in a small town in Illinois but happens to be in DC on a trip with some friends, ... She said the atmosphere is very tense and there are crowds gathering... and riot police on the streets! They cut dinner short and are going back to their hotel.
Such pro life
I saw the video - it's no Charlottesville, it's still definitely not okay to be running over people. More than not, it looked primarily like protestors attempting to force the truck to stop, which is also not OK, and reckless. If the driver is accelerating with you on their vehicle they're past the point of caring about your safety, care about your own at that point and break off.
I didnt realise the US has almost like 1 million abortions a year
Kirk basically lays out his anger that white women aren't choosing to have more white babies for his white race issues.
What an absurd conclusion to draw from that tweet.
If you're referring to SB8, that rather novel Texas law, I would remind you that SCOTUS shot that down 8-1.
Subject to any financial concerns (i.e. time and money to get to a pro-abortion state from an anti-abortion one) or social issues (like trying to get an abortion without family knowing), there are not likely to be any barriers. In his concurrence, Kavanaugh specifically addressed this question: "[A]s I see it, some of the other abortion-related legal questions raised by today's decision are not especially difficult as a constitutional matter. For example, may a State bar a resident of that State from traveling to another State to obtain an abortion? In my view, the answer is no based on the constitutional right to interstate travel."
It is not directly. Federal authorities to conduct healthcare regulation would come from the Constitution's Interstate Commerce clause, and has been in effect an authority they have had for 90 years. SCOTUS didn't actually want to rule that way, they ruled against FDR first, then FDR threatened to pack the court if the Justices didn't give the Federal government the authority he wanted. It's technically in conflict with the Tenth Amendment, but is now just the way things are done and is the primary source of authority for most federal laws which affect non-federal persons or entities. The Tenth does still have some teeth, though, if a proposed federal law has nothing at all to do with interstate commerce, the law may not be constitutional. (The first such rollback happened in the 1990s, the court said the federal government's 'gun free school zones' act had nothing to do with commerce, and could not stand)
However, there is also nothing stopping States from enacting healthcare. It's why there is no inherent contradiction between republicans who objected to Obamacare as being an intrusion on State rights and Republicans who supported Romney in creating the Massachusetts equivalent which was the prototype. There are a couple of Federal regulations which make it difficult, but basically as most US states are the size of most countries, there's little practical reason why any state which wants to enact healthcare can't do it without relying on the Federal government.
Plessy v Ferguson was settled law for 60 years before Brown v Board of Education which overruled it, and not too many people complain about that. SCOTUS reversals happen, so far over 300 times in the near 250 years of the country. In fact, Roe is just under the average age for a case which is reversed by SCOTUS (albeit well over the median). Dredd Scott took a large war and two Constitutional Amendments to fix. Roe was not carved in stone, and SCOTUS doesn't always agree with itself, even after 140 years.
The ruling does not mean that laws protecting abortion cannot be passed at the Federal level in addition to those at State level. The Court has just recused itself from doing it, which is arguably the correct thing to do. The Dobbs case was the trigger which pulled down the house of cards by attacking 24-week limit which Roe established. That was a number arbitrarily selected by the court, which ought to have been a policy decision by the legislative or even executive branches, much like the entire protection of abortion should be.
You talk as if those women were forced to have sex in the first place. So much is said about "choice" and my body my choice but what about the choice to not have sex? Nobody mentions that choice yet its this choice that would stop any problems in the first place. At any given moment a woman can say, you know what there's a risk of pregnancy here so I'm gonna choose not to have sex. But how many make this choice? Abortion is being used as a form of birth control.
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