The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
It will depend on how it looks in the individual states I think.
Regarding Virginia , that was more about lockdowns, schools and a useless Dem candidate that lead to Youngkin winning rather than abortion.
Youngkin today proposing no abortion after 15 weeks which is a relatively moderate position and something supported by the majority when it comes to polling.
The concern from the GOP pov is if some governors in purple states start leaning towards the six week ban which is in place in Texas which is very restrictive and not popular nationally.
Is there a history of serious disorder at pro-choice protests? Did that happen when news of this ruling was leaked in May?
Because it's exactly the type of thing the right would want to do if they had what they felt were their rights restricted, that's why.
It's become the norm, the righteous middle class mob go nuts.
Most of those dildos are just doing it for the kicks,to be part of something.
Why does the right seem eager to watch riots break out?
Whoever wrote that work of fiction also doesn't know the difference between legalised and privatised.
Maybe.
This is going to look really ironic in another 12-24 hours.
What?
8th Amendment referendum: 66.4% YES, 33.6% NO
SSM referendum: 62.07% YES, 37.93% NO
I don't know what you expect from anyone regarding that right now. Protest is unrestful. So is upending 50 years of jurisprudence. Leadership has already called for nonviolence nonthreatening demonstration.
There are already fears there may be violent protests over it this weekend - the actual decision was announced when it was still only morning in the US.
I don't think that's what they said. AFAIK there is nothing to stop the passage of a federal law legalising abortion nationwide if a sufficient majority can be mustered in Congress. Essentially the same position as in Ireland since Repeal the 8th
I was there that day. What I saw was happy people celebrating having full control over their own bodies. No one was celebrating the murder of children.
The vote in Ireland reflected what was already known, a ban didn’t stop anything, it exported the problem and made so many Irish women travel to a different country for a medical procedure. It never stopped one abortion happening, ever.
The pendulum has only swung in America, a country going through its own very of an identity crisis and a myriad of political and social issues. Ireland doesn’t even get near that type of chaos. Abortion in Ireland won’t be up for a vote again, trying to imply that it will is real fantasy stuff.
If you want to see real wickedness and evil, take a waltz to the thread on the forum here and read about the stories of women being forced to travel before the 8th, including my aunt who was diagnosed with breast cancer and had to have an abortion before complications from her treatment would be a factor. That’s who I was thinking of and celebrating that day in Dublin Castle, she wasn’t here to see it, but she was with me that day.
It's the whig view of history. That societies always move towards enlightenment and social progress. I can remember posters from the same-sex marriage referendum telling people to vote yes to "end up on the right side of history", as if everything heads in one direction and we couldn't relapse and head back into greater oppression at some stage. It seems absurd now but who knows what awful things the next century could bring.
Even America has examples of this. Reconstruction lead to enfranchisement and representation for black people after their Civil War. White racists moved heaven and earth to reverse this and eventually the Federal Government got sick of the issue, so black Americans suffered from nationwide discrimination, pogroms and disenfranchisement for more than a century. It doesn't all go in one direction, especially when rights are introduced top-down or a significant bitter element of the population still seeks to reverse the changes.
It's hardly a vast response, a forceful response.
It's surprisingly small.
i dont get the uproar, regardless of your position. the supreme court basically said the federal government dont have the constitutional right to do anything with abortions so handed it back to the states to deal with.
if you disagree with the us constitution, thats a different matter.
if you think the judges were incorrect, can you point out where in the constitution abortions are allowed?
Regardless of the circumstances, the last thing America needs is more civil unrest.
Or right now.
I can't envisage anything like this happening in a true liberal democracy
Colleges in America are in full flow with exams.
Students are focusing on exams.
Give a month after unwinding saving cash and enjoying the summer.
Protests may be a thing in July or August.
Nonsense. The ruling came out today, it's been out less than 12 hours, there are already demonstrations in major cities, there had already been standing demonstrations outside the court since the draft leaked in April. Major protests are already scheduled for every major city in the state tomorrow; Charleston's kicked off at 5 PM. Regarding the 'inflated reaction' there's no inflation required, every outlet from the left and the right is discussing this because it is already landmark without any hyperbole necessary. And the twitterverse, if you want a pulse on live reactions, had been trending all day on the abortion topic with variations of Griswold (the gay marriage decision), Roe, Senate, Congress, etc. alternatively trending throughout the day
I don't know what this lib ownership scale is but I'm sure it sounds great on truth social
To use a US parlance, t'wud be best if people spoke 'The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth' but sadly that isn't the case.
OTT rhetoric is part for the course in these discussions.
Everyone could benefit from a nice deep breath.
I'd say the reaction is quite muted generally for where this is on the lib ownership scale (I reckon comfortably a 9 out of 10?, maybe even a 10)
If this was even the 90's or early 2000s there'd be serious protests. The left wing media are trying desperately to inflate reaction but not really working.
I guess most are too busy protesting on their iPhones.
Overexaggerate much?
The Supreme Court have never defended the right for people to murder school kids.
Gun control is a problem in the US for sure, but when people start spouting crap about the Supreme Court defending the right for people to murder school kids, they may have valid gun control points but they lose all credibility because they are spouting sh1te.
I find it quite amazing (and disheartening) how these things ebb and flow. A lot of people assume that progression works in one direction, they fight for rights which are then there to stay. Unfortunately that's not the case, society seems to have the capability to regress leaps and bounds in a very short period of time.
This shows the dangers of religion and how backward the USA has become in the last half century.
Same sex marriage was an even bigger landslide than the eight amendment referendum.
The only people who opposed it were a tiny minority of religious zealots and what I'd assume were much older people.
Nobody got a boost in votes at the next election for opposing same sex marriage.
Mother of god please tell me you don't believe that crap
Or when the inverse is true: claiming to be opposed eg. to same sex marriage to ensure you had contemporary votes.
