The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
You are tying yourself up in knots now equating miscarriage and abortion. Everyone understands abortion is killing a human. Some will just never admit that they know this.
A human fetus, and a human person, are both human, but not one and the same thing.
if you stub your toe under communisim, thats communisms fault but if you get murdered in a capitalist society, somehow that doesnt count against capitalism..
Do share the heavy price they'll pay. They'll take the House handily.
Just like a human baby and a human adult are human but not one and the same.
Correct, it counts against Liberalism, ????, somehow.
American society as a whole has a low value on life and society. Both parties just differ on the time scale.
from what i can gather this has taken away any constitutional rights and now it is completely up to individual states. i also gather that there is no hope in hell anything would be reversed or an improved bill could be proposed as the conservative/right/anti-choice/religious/whatever you want to call them will simply do anything and everything to stop such things happening.
no youre just trying to claim false equivalency to suit your own means when you full well know theyre pretty similar
Communism tends to be more direct, in through the back of the head.
Maybe that makes more of an impact on wider society.
Social democratic tradition in Europe offers a better path. Certainly the left damaged itself over the years in not being resolutely against countries like the Soviet Union and Communist China.off topic.
Now you're getting it! But both the human baby, and human adult, are also human persons, where the human fetus is not.
Similar enough that a woman experiencing a miscarriage will be denied access to certain procedures to save her life if abortions are outright banned.
It is extremely offensive to many to claim abortion and miscarriage are pretty similar. Are you sure you want to stand over that opinion?
Why is it offensive? Can you elaborate, please?
deviancy? get over yourself
well according to your logic theyre both 'killing' so whats the difference?
Yes one could interpret that as a constitutional right to abortion, even if abortion is not what was in mind when it was written. The argument for is no stronger than the argument against, however.
The great error here imo was to declare a constitutional right to abortion on highly dubious grounds and deem the issue closed. The only reason it ended up in front of the Supreme Court was because the pro-choice movement was not making satisfactory progress going state-by-state or through Congress, so they sought to bypass these institutions of the democratic process.
For example, Michigan voters decided by 61% to 39% not to legalise abortion in November 1972. Roe v Wade happened a few weeks later and invalidated the result of the referendum.
Even though it would've taken time, the pro-choice movement would've been better off trying to convince people on the merits of their arguments and get them to support their position, instead of getting the Supreme Court to decide it in one go and effectively circumvent public opinion and deem the issue closed.
Now US voters can decide their own laws, and enact ones representative of their will, as opposed to something imposed by the court.
You clearly don’t understand logic.
This could be the start of the final culture war battle, brewing since Reagan started to cultivate the religious far right.
Apparently even the mango Mussolini called this a bad decision, as the suburban woman voter won't vote for any Republican supporting this retrograde step. Could finish the repugs off in suburbia, though their laughable electroral system will keep the system imbalanced.
I understand your point regarding these issues, but the underlying assumption regarding Democrats' position on these issues is that they are designed to prevent racial minorities from voting.
However, polls consistently show African American and Hispanic voters are more conservative on abortion than white voters, and substantially more conservative than Democrats.
This is the tweet.
What's funny is that the people you're trying to explain this to themselves voted for abortion (Overheal excepted since s/he is a Yank?) in a referendum.
But if US states have to go through the referendum process its Taliban Mark II.
Basically they only want to see referendums where they think it'll return the "correct" result.
Also the constant desire to change political systems. Get four more justices, change FPTP to PR, dump the electoral college.
They would probably cheer the return of Louis IV the Great, the Sun King, as absolute ruler of France if they thought it would lead to the policies they wanted being adopted.
Is there a referendum scheduled for the US? I would welcome one on the topic to settle it. Can't imagine Republicans would want it, they tend not to do well with the popular vote.
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Your point is true, however on balance, those demographics lean Democrat historically. They also tend to be poorer, which makes them a perfect target for disenfranchisement efforts.
Which is not a reason for carte blanche support for the Democrats. They suck and I'm beyond tired of their ineptitude and willful disregard for a whole range of issues, but they're better than the Republicans. America in a nutshell.
The US doesn't have federal referenda. It would be like regarding Cork and Mayo as States under the federal government in Dublin. They can have their own referenda. There is the option for an Article V convention, but it's never been done, and it's the constitution's own 'nuclear option' for resolving gridlock issues. Enough Republican states would ensure we neither get an Equal Rights amendment nor an Abortion amendment ratified.
Truth.
Insanity, hyperbolic, delusional, narcissism.
Whatever he has going on it was a problem for him long before this.
Do you even know what a Miscarriage is?
If fascism ever manifests itself in the US ( and I don't believe it ever will, the US will break up sooner) it will be through the Democrat Party, the party that has a hold over Political Institutions, Academia and the School System...it will not be thru the Republican party voters, the vast majority of whom despise big government....they are the actual anti fascists.
(I am aware of the tiny Neo Nazi far right fascists who nobody takes seriously)
yes, yes i do. i made a very logical comparison. care to refute my point or do you just want to deflect?
yes i do, i made a very logical comparison using another poster's views on abortion as murder. feel free to explain how i was incorrect if you want
You are the only person I have ever come across who views miscarriages as a selective action.
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