The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.
Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?
The US is a cold place for women now.
Biden just said "Roe is on the Ballot" meaning the Democrats aren't gonna do ****.
Madness how quick the USA is regressing.
Pray? Relilgion is what's caused this mess. "Thoughts and prayers" is what is regarded in that country as an adequate response to gun massacres ffs...
So are you saying no states have legislation ready to go that wont reduce the rights for women in a fair number of states? How out of loop are you? Its as strange as republican senators being coy about welcoming the leaked verdict a few months ago. Maybe they realise abortion is not as unpopular as they thought it eas.
If a person would take their own life as a result of Roe v Wade being repealed, then they clearly have severe mental duress to begin with
... whether or not that is the case, what is your point here? Suicide is not, strictly speaking, rational to begin with. I'm not here to challenge their rationale, I'm pointing out that women ARE going to experience duress as a result of this outcome, and I PRAY they won't do something so dark. I might also feel under duress if I lived in a town, in county, in a state, or a nation where I was treated as a lesser citizen than that of another sex to me. Wake up on Friday and have my rights revoked by catholics in robes and have my neighbors, my representatives in government, all cheering for it.
they have decided in their judgement to make it permanently illegal for women to have abortions
The ignorance. This isn't what happened. You're getting mad about something you don't even understand.
Don't even start with me.
I was 13 years old when the 8th Amendment was passed and 50 years old when it was repealed.
I lived my whole reproductive life under the threat of not having automony over my own body in this country.
So you and anyone who supports this can go and ..... I'll let you fill in the blanks.
I can't see an interpretation of this ruling that supports any of that.
It has not banned abortion but has given powers to the states to make their own laws hasn't it?
Biden to speak momentarily..
For all the good waffle will do, let's see how it plays out johnny
Poland. Religious fundamentalist assholes at work there, too.
The supreme court is just government appointees. Im not sure certain rights to go to a popular vote what if more americans became evangelical and stared removing gay rights based on religious reasons?
So vulnerable minorities only have rights if the majority agree?
Nope, that's not democracy that's tyrrany.
Have many countries banned abortion after it being legal for many years? It seems an extraordinary turn of events, highly irregular.
This is not some temporary measure where a technical loophole in the law has emerged and which the SC felt they had no choice but to act. Instead, they have decided in their judgement to make it permanently illegal for women to have abortions and for this to be the settled constitutional position of the US.
When the court was expanded to 9 justices iirc it was to correspond to 9 circuit courts of appeal.
There are now 13 such courts of appeal - 11 typical among a share of states, 1 federal circuit and 1 DC circuit. The prejudice of a single justice can disfavor the adjudicative needs of one court of appeals over the other, when the SCOTUS has finite resources to consider cases. Kavanaugh for example, is assigned to the 8th and 6th circuit, his attention is divided between the two, and those aren't tiny circuits. The 8th is Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota; the 6th is Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, Tennessee. 11 of 50 states, for 1 of 9 justices. Alito is doubled up as well, on the 3rd and 5th circuit he filters appeals from Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and the US Virgin Islands. And Roberts Tripled himself up, on the DC and Federal circuits as well as Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia. SCOTUS Backlog can be tracked objectively, and remedied with expanding the bench.
People are hoping for the worst. . Its a complex issue so I would say wait and see what happens.
It is the Supreme Court that has taken the right away after granting it in the first place. Maybe this judgement demonstrates the inadequacy of grounding such a right in a debatable interpretation of the Constitution.
I assume you didn’t live in Ireland until abortion was legalised.
I guess time will tell. Wont have ro wait long to judge if this is lie as state legislation will pass very soon in a number of states. I think can be given that you wont get many unbiased facts on the websites with either words prolife or prochoice in their website names
grow up with the murder bullshit
i think it was pretty clear that the original post was referring to people taking their own lives due to not having access to an abortion
It is irrelevant to us here in Ireland.
The only reason we got the 8th Amendment in Ireland was because of Roe v. Wade.
Bought and paid for in fundamentalist US dollars.
Youre been taken by the likes of nasty Pelosi who took this news and used it as a hammer to strike down on republicans. Its political warfare for dems now not a time to pat women on the back after all they don't even know what a woman is.
Many Republican states have and will continue to allow late term abortion. Many democrats are pro life too. Planned partenthood eliminates a disproportionate number of black babies. Republicans are giving black kids a life. Democrats want to flush them away
How are "we" going to do that?
If it were up to "us" (Irish people) Roe v Wade would not have become law in he first place as the majority of Irish people were against abortion the year it was passed (1973).
Crazy that a right that has existes for 50 years can suddenly be taken away by the government. Funny that Trump was pro choice before becoming a republican candidate and now may be catalyst for 50 percent of states banning abortions
I don't necessarily see individual states being able to decide laws as a bad thing. I'm torn on the issue personally.
And you theoretically could refrained from using profanity and try living in the real world where Obama is not longer in the senate, not longer president and never was on the supreme court and has no vote.... but there you go.
If a person would take their own life as a result of Roe v Wade being repealed, then they clearly have severe mental duress to begin with, if not Roe v Wade I'm sure something else would happen to sadly cause them to take their own life. But the idea that a court ruling such as this would be the main cause of suicides is ridiculous.
What next, the clergy had suicides after gay marriage was legalised? People are committing suicide because of the supreme courts ruling on firearms carrying? Ridiculously dramatic over what is primarily a legal tidying exercise. Abortion rights are not mentioned in the constitution, and the Roe v Wade ruling was such a tenuous one by the court and not any law. There was no law backing it up, it was incredibly messy legal position.
Now congress can go and try legislate for it instead, or amend the constitution if they wish. But such a weak interpretation of the constitution was always going to be bad law.
I am friends with a lesbian couple living in one of the trigger states.
One of them takes birth control to prevent severe ovarian cysts which have left her hospitalised in the past.
Now she is terrified she won't be able to access her birth control until it's "reviewed".
We're supposed to travel to their wedding celebration later this year (they're already legally married, but delayed the party due to Covid) and I've decided I'm not going.
I refuse to set foot in that shithole of a country that has no respect for women, ever again.
Isn't 13 an unlucky number?
How does having 13 justices guarantee that the Constitution will be interpreted according to your own prejudices and wishes?
Yes. You’ll need 60 republicans in the senate for a national law. 2008 was the last time a party had that many. Was i believe (not looking it up, the 60s/70s) the time before that. So very unlikely to happen. Still an outside chance I guess but I would say unlikely in next 50 years at minimum. Actually I don’t think republicans have ever had 60 in the senate, so really near on impossible. Only time they would have is when they freed the slaves after the civil war.
So it’s up to the states to decide.
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