Unvaccinated people have been clogging up hospitals, at one point around 90% of Covid patients in ICU's were unvaccinated. That's a lot of hospital resources.
When was this?
But Hometruths, you're pretending not to be a conspiracy theorist, remember. You can't start suggesting that the hospitals weren't overwhelmed.
I'm not suggesting the hospitals weren't under pressure, overwhelmed or anything else. I just don't remember the % of unvaccinated being as high as 90% in ICU, and I'm surprised I missed it as presumably it received a lot of attention at the time. Just wondering if it was when I was still a pro vaccine advocate and thus didn't pay much attention to it.
Ok. So then you agree that the claim being made on this thread by other conspiracy theorists that the hospitals weren't under pressure is false?
Are you arguing that unvaccinated people weren't disproportionally ending up in hospital as compared to vaccinated people? This is something your fellow conspiracy theorists have been claiming and you didn't take any issue it.
I don't think it ever hit 90%, it looks like about 60% (In Ireland at least, I'd well believe that low vaccinated American states could have hit 90%+) was the highest for hospital admissions (where the proportion decreased as 90%+ of the population got vaccinated), ICU was almost always dominated by the unvaccinated until the vaccine rollout was complete, stats are here for last year:
ICU and Hospital Admissions - CSO - Central Statistics Office
COVID-19 Insight Bulletins: ICU and Hospital Admissions Series 1 - CSO - Central Statistics Office
Your risk of ending up in ICU was about 12-20x more if you were unvaccinated, you were also likely to be a decade younger than a vaccinated person.
This is a subject that interests me, so if you really want me to comment on another specific post, point me to it and I will let you know what I think.
No, I am not arguing that unvaccinated people weren't disproportionally ending up in hospital as compared to vaccinated people - the stats are undeniable that the unvaccinated are disproportionate in hospital, just as the elderly are and those with comorbidities.
Which is why I said above I'd love to see the age and health breakdown of those unvaccinated in hospital. I don't think your vaccination status is the biggest indicator of hospital risk.
Lol You're dodging the question man.
Conspiracy theorists on this thread have claimed repeatedly that hospitals weren't really under pressure.
Are these claims true or false?
I think you are dodging because you don't want to disagree with your conspiracy theorist fellows.
Likewise, conspiracy theorists on this and the other thread are claiming that the vaccines have no effect and there's no difference between the numbers of unvaccinated and vaccinated in hospital.
These claims true or false?
I'm not commenting on something you say somebody else posted, given your fondness for misrepresenting people. If you want me to comment on something specific, quote it and I will.
You're asking me do I think that the hospitals were under pressure during Covid and I am telling you that I think yes they were. Is that not clear for you?
Around December, January
Multiple hospitals were reporting that upwards of 80%, 90% of Covid patients in ICU units were unvaccinated.
The recent December/January? Annoyingly that is the exactly the time period the HSE stopped publishing their weekly reports on this: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/vaccinationstatusweeklyreports/
Were these figures available anywhere else?
Lol. You won't say that conspiracy theorists are wrong. Thanks for proving my point.
Turns out they
Turns out the figures were available elsewhere - CMOs letters to Minister which show figures where nowhere near 90% of people in ICU were unvaccinated in that time period
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/
They've been posted multiple times in these threads. It's figures and estimates for Irish and global hospitals.
You believe there's a conspiracy to make all measures permanent?
Seems legit.
Is there a conspiracy to make all covid measures permanent?
Or are you dodging this question because of your aversion to disagreeing with conspiracy theories?
Yup, right here in these threads. News stories, sources, links. Just itching for a pedant to dredge up and have "an issue" with :)
Not sure what it has to do with a conspiracy of every measure being permanent though..
In the context of a discussion on the proportion of unvaccinated people in ICU with covid the difference between saying it is 90% and 60% is enormous. It's not pedantic.
In the context of discussing all Covid measures being permanent in a conspiracy theory forum it is pedantry and appears way off-topic
It's an extension of the fixation in your posts, doggedly haggling vaccine figures with anyone you can. I literally predicted you'd do it a few posts ago, and here you are, trying it again. Okay, cool I guess :) Actually just reading the news here now, reading some really big figures about vaccines, juuuuust kidding, relax
Any comment on all the measures being made permanent as part of a Communist plot?
Way off-topic?! You brought it up in this thread:
I just queried it. And for some reason that's now off topic.
Yup way off topic, I started it by responding to another poster and mentioning the v word, which is like a dog whistle on this forum.
Exactly thats just nonsense, I have 3 friends who work in hospitals... and that's not the case at all that 90% of people there, didn't take the gene therapy shot..
Utter nonsense
I guess to be a pedant that for those aged up to 45, the numbers in ICU unvaccinated were between 90-100% most months, in Ireland, I could well believe the same in the general population occurring in countries or states with low vaccination rates, the differences in ICU are stark for the unvaccinated for all age groups (Irish data is linked above).
Well I guess the best way to avoid be called out for pushing falsehoods, is not to push falsehoods, irrespective if they're off topic or not.
Sealioning is a funny old term.
Here's the source of it...
There is a faint whiff of familiarity alright...
I never knew what it meant until another guy explained it to me and I was told the fossils here were called the sealions lol it makes sense because if you read that strip and see how they post. It's so similar it cracked me up laughing lol
Yea, you guys really don't understand that comic.
Questions like "what do you believe?" And "why do you believe that?" And "where did you get that information?" Are not disruptive to a discussion.
Unless of course one party doesn't want to answer them because it would make them look bad.
Why do you feel it necessary to say that we don't understand the comic?
It seems that we're not the ones that have the problem understanding it.
The issue isn't the questions, it's the way they're asked. The content isn't the problem, it's the context.
We've seen it multiple times here, a poster becomes the "target" of similar questioning from multiple other posters who complain when questions aren't answered in what they consider to be a timely fashion and then use that "delay" as a perceived victory.
There are two objectives here, one is to discredit the person (if you're doing that by refuting their argument only, that really not a problem btw) and the other is to hopefully get a reaction out of them that leads to a sanction from the site staff.
That's the game here. Win arguments whilst feigning politeness and being as abusive as possible. A few days ago on this thread you told bare faced lies about me and any time you were taken to task your replies were "lol man" until you ran out of road and couldn't wriggle free any longer.
You're just a bunch of bullies, plain and simple. It's no wonder you didn't want the template I suggested implemented here, you wouldn't get to give people wedgies and flush their heads down toilets anymore.
The issue isn't refuting arguments, it's the way you go about it. The first rule of the site is don't be a dick, you can't seem to to anything other than break that rule. It's no wonder you're never seen anywhere else on this site, your behavior wouldn't be tolerated.
it is not 90% of people there, it is 90% of people there with covid.
It's utter nonsense that 90% of people there with covid were unvaccinated.
maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I was responding to someone who thought it meant that 90% of people in hospital were unvaccinated.
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