Yup, I originally read it in the Irish Times, but I posted the link from the RTE, it seems to trigger them more, which is always more fun
If what is being posted in the Conspiracy Theories forum is obviously fake made up stories which the posters just want to discuss then it surely belongs in a fiction writing forum.
What is wrong with that suggestion to you?
More lies from the media and yourself, the hospitals are not clogged up with unvaccinated people dying of covid.
They have been at that mantra before, I'm surprised you actually believe it.
Okay, so according to you, the "media" is lying or the quoted source is lying?
And how do you know they are lying?
Because they're not clogged up with unvaccinated people dying of covid. Maybe you said that off the cuff or something or it came out the wrong way, maybe you're overexaggerating.
But with omnicron the symptoms are quite mild and most people who decided not to get vaccinated are quite healthy and a lot of them would be asymptomatic.
The unvaccinated make up one third of the covid patients in hospital. The unvaccinated make up 20% of the population. How do you explain that?
You just claimed "the media" was lying, so to repeat the question again, according to you, RTE is lying or the source they referenced is lying?
And how do you know this?
It's even more extreme than that, 86% of the eligible population (above 5 yrs old) are vaccinated as of this month. I would expect the majority of Covid patients in hospitals to be adults (18+) where the vaccination rate is over 95%.
Also, one third is on the low side, it was higher in the past. The figures for the UK end of last year show over 60% of Covid patients were unvaccinated.
Again, all this is unsurprising considering the vaccine is known to reduce hospitalization/death from the virus by around 90%
But thats all lies cause conspiracy theorists don't want to acknowledge or think about those facts.
All fair points. I tooks the 80% from your earlier post as even at that rate the number unvaccinated in hospital with covid is still disproportionate.
You're posting in riddles now Dohnjoe. You know as well as I do your claim that the hospitals are clogged up with unvaccinated people dying of covid is false.
14,000 plus hospital beds in Ireland. You do the math's Dohnjoe. You're a liar.
You posted that all those unvaccinated people clogging up the hospital beds are dying of covid. They're not dying of covid.
In the RTE clip they said they are sick and not as sick as previous waves of covid.
In the report the doctor or consultant said that the patients were all vaccinated, immunocompromised and nowhere did he say they're dying.
You're an absolute liar.
From 36 seconds onwards you'll hear the truth. But you twisted the truth and basically lied about unvaccinated people clogging up the hospitals and they're dying of covid.
You can retract your post and admit you made a mistake or look like a fool in front of your kin. Although I can't see your kin challenging you on your lies,spoof and having the audacity to think it's funny is worse.
You're a shill now Dohnjoe.
One third of the population is 33.33% or there abouts. Dohnjoe is off by 66.666...%
And according to the guy in the interview , Dohnjoe is lying about his figures all the people in hospital are immunocompromised and have been vaccinated.
Primary school maths on percentages is probably not thought any more or the simplicity of moving decimal points etc
Obviously Dohnjoe hasn't an iota what's going on.
He didn't even listen to the report.
Trigger them more, so you're trolling now Dohnjoe lol
The plot's thickening ol'e bhouy
Keep on chucking your boomerang, just mind you catch it properly. They can be sore on the finger's.
20% of the population are responsible for 33% of hospital admissions for covid. that 20% (actually less than 20% but lets run with that) are unvaccinated. why are the unvaccinated more likely to end up in hospital with covid?
Lol, it's pretty straightforward. Around 5% of adults are taking up one third of hospital beds for Covid. Yeah that's unvaccinated people clogging up hospitals unnecessarily, it's grossly disproportional.
Last year during the peak it was worse, hospitals were reporting that up to 80% or more of Covid patients taking up beds were unvaccinated.
According to you the media is lying, what's the lie?
CMO confirmed 100% of people in hospital had a vaccine. It's not the unvaccinated causing any problem whatsoever, in fact they seem the best off based on these stats. Not even 1 of them in hospital.
"of those in hospital directly due to Covid at that point 46pc had received a booster vaccination, 19pc had completed primary vaccination and 35pc were partially vaccinated"
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/majority-of-patients-in-hospital-with-covid-19-last-week-aged-over-65-41775764.html
You're the liar, and you can't read or listen properly.
It's quite clear you have difficulty in the English language or there's a glitch in your comprehension skills.
You've been spouting absolute shoite here and twisting reality etc for age's.
Look you're not able to communicate properly, and if you up your game maybe you'll be less noticable.
Now you're backtracking about the pass tense.
You were talking in the present about the unvaccinated clogging up hospitals, even though RTE says they're all vaccinated and immunocompromised. The total opposite to your understanding of the present situation in the hospitals.
You even said they're dying which is a sick lie.
I took your world for your report,then I said FCK it I'll listen to the RTE clip. And it said the totally opposite of what you're implying they stated.
Will you admit you're a liar and have a sick twisted devious side too by the looks of it.
It's clear you're either a fact checker, or have skin in the game....
You're a lying so and so
They're more than likely to end up in hospital with covid by catching it in hospital with another illness or condition like orthopedic procedure amounts others.
If it's the June 17th report, which is the latest one, looks like the Independent misreported it, here's the line from the report itself
"According to the latest HSE data on cases hospitalised for COVID-19 (N=300), as of 14th June 2022, 46% had received booster vaccination, 19% had completed their primary vaccination course and 35% had not completed their primary vaccination course."
And here
"According to National Office of Clinical Audit (NOCA) data as of 14 th June 2022, where vaccination status was known (N=19), 21% of COVID-19 cases in ICU were unvaccinated and 79% were fully vaccinated. Of those COVID-19 cases in ICU who were fully vaccinated, 80% were recorded as having received a booster/additional dose"
So no, in their latest June report the CMO didn't confirm 100% of people in hospital had a vaccine.
It's from today, 100% of people in hospital from covid have had a vaccine. I'll grant you they might not have all completed their course but for some people that was 3 primary and a booster, you can hardly class them as unvaccinated.
And cue another rant
Unfortunately yes they are dying, unvaccinated are 8 to 17 times more likely to die from Covid than vaccinated. So not only are they taking up disproportionately more beds and hospital resources, they are also dying unnecessarily.
Which is tragic, as much of it is down to complete disinformation. Sadly some people are not taking vaccines because lunatics on the internet are convincing them not to.
No it's not, it's from the June 17th report.
Dr Holohan’s weekly report, compiled last Friday
I've posted the report if you want to read it, it's there in black and white.
This is true only for the elderly and vulnerable. The vaccines only make a really small difference to healthy people as such a tiny proportion of these will die from covid anyway.
Using percentages and ‘times’ can be very misleading. A better statistic would be how many healthy people are dying of covid.
The independent article is from today, it says the same as what your linked to. The figures add up to 100% have had a vaccine. It's correct.
It's not the unvaccinated they don't even register, it's the anti boosters or what ever they should be referred to appear to be taking up beds.
How would you define "healthy"? Well over half the population are overweight or obese. Plus there's the other diabetics. I'll bet most over 60s (maybe most over 50s) are taking at least one tablet a day for a chronic condition as well.
This is true only for the elderly and vulnerable
Predominantly, but not exclusively.
Almost exclusively. How many healthy unvaccinated people have died of covid in Ireland since Christmas say. That is the kind of info useful for this debate. All the percentage stuff is massively open to manipulation, so better to start with the basics.
Of course the elderly and vulnerable should keep up to date with their boosters, as loads of them have died from covid.
It doesn't matter that it's from today, it's directly referring to the report of June the 17th
The independent writes:
Dr Holohan’s weekly report, compiled last Friday, said of those in hospital directly due to Covid at that point 46pc had received a booster vaccination, 19pc had completed primary vaccination and 35pc were partially vaccinated.
The report states:
You've decided "not completed their primary vaccination course" means none of that 35% is unvaccinated.
This is despite the below in the same report
Amazing how important you regard links to supporting evidence for your argument if they exist. Yet, if there is no supporting evidence you think a quick back of the envelope calculation should suffice. Very odd.
That last piece where they're referring to people in ICU, there's 10 people in ICU, so when they say 21% are unvaccinated they're talking about 2 people.
What is their definition of unvaccinated they're referring too, is it someone who's had no vaccine ever or something else. Do we know?
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