The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
They said in their fb post that there was no AC at these chargers…. So I asked if the CCS & CHAdeMO could be used simultaneously (seeing as there’s 4 spaces) and am still awaiting a response.
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Where's that?
So ecars finally build a site with 4 parking spaces for 2 units! They're bloody 50kW units with AC charging. Close ecars, but ye still screwed it up.
2 years later, dozens of fault reports, and the only 50kW charger in Derry remains bollixed.
And this is the best eCars can muster.
I understand its a really difficult situation, and a stinker to recreate, but how about take any 50kW capable EV to the charger, and just maybe, plug it in?
Having seen coffee machines in offices called refreshment hubs, the word is essentially meaningless. In eCars parlance it's 2 or more discrete DC chargers. Arguing with them on is it one of those things that aren't worth any energy. I'd much rather give them feedback on removing the AC22 sockets from hubs than them changing the name from hub to something else.
At the end of the day whether it's called a hub or something else is meaningless but it's a hill a lot of people seem to want to die on.
I'm not familiar with the others but the "hub" in Limerick is only 3 DC and 1 AC which replaced an earlier EFACEC unit... Is this really a hub by ESB standards?
Hub, more like stub, am I right? 😁
It's okay, I'll show myself out...
I'm a bit annoyed with their use of the term hub.
Correspondingly over 30% of the total EV lot got registered this year, over 62% in the last 18 months and 88.4% since the beginning of 2019 when the 10+10M investment in the ecars network has been announced. It is better than 2019 although got very expensive soon, for me the most expensive network on the island
I'm a bit annoyed with their use of the term hub. The one in Monaghan has one high powered charger beside a 50kw one. However there are only 3 parking spaces. You get 2 people on the 50 and the high powered one can only facilitate one car. Depending on the charge port placement it could theoretically knock out another car and only allow 2 cars to charge.
Thinks it's 4 hubs so far, Monaghan, Fermoy, Tuam and Limerick, and at least they're rolling out with more CCS chargers than they were last year.
Mayfield, their only Tier 1 hub to date is 13 months old in 2 weeks.
A SuperCharger in the SE and I’d never have to bother with eCars again…. (And maybe for most too if they are opened up here!!)
Amber petrol station in Fermoy????.
The supermacs plaza in Tuam???.
Did any one else even bother? Tesla, Ionity ?
If I was paying for the electricity, you can be sure that you will get less than 25 kw.
Don't forget those replacement DC chargers up north are restricted to 25kW while someone is using the AC side (which is usually all day).
So half way through the year and what have ecars delivered in 2022? A couple of replacements in NI. A "hub" in Monaghan. Anything else?
2022 has to be their worst year of progress in a while now.
I just find it very amusing about how our fine government refuses to fund a lot of stuff becuase we're a "free market" economy, and then they hand out monopoly like control over the EV charging network to a semi-state enterprise
Not that the UK is much better, the only difference there is that the contract gets handed out to whoever is the biggest donor to the Tory party
Anyway...it would be nice if the powers that be would ackowledge that the current system gives Ecars too much power and control over the network and future development
The difference being of course they are accountable in 1 jurisdiction where they sign contracts as opposed to zero accountability on the other jurisdiction.
Ecars UK is the same team as ecars ROI I think, just the incentives are set up differently.
Ooofff... public tenders... yeah that's how a functional economy is "supposed" to work for sure lol 😂
Are you joking? They'd probably set themselves on fire if they tried to do that here
Ecars UK is a completely different setup, seems the council will tender a contract for x number of chargers and companies try to win the contract
You know, how a functional economy works
Has ecars ever installed 3x 50kW & 1 x 22kW at one site here?
I wouldn't be surprised if Applegreen were relying on the " Increased levels of facilities in order to comply with future European and National policies" to claim that their isn't a national policy in place with minimum charging requirements so therefore they don't have to deliver any extra facility.
I don't really care wether it's an eCars hub or an Applegreen hub on the M1 MSAs, either way they need a significant upgrade.
I presume that’s more to do with needing the on site grid capacity for their own plans?
Welcome Break were blocking replacement of DBT 50kW units with units that were more modern and used the same grid connection. That was cleared up towards the end of last year, the Euro Garages points still haven't been replaced and are now on free vend.
If that's what they want, then they should be told to install the charge points. Applegreen don't own the locations, TII do. TII should be able to give Applegreen notice that if they don't install by a certain date, then they will be deemed non-compliant with the Motorway Service Area policy, and that that will be taken into account for any future tenders to operate services..
The policy published by the NRA states that "Once in place, service areas will need to continuously develop in order to meet the evolving needs of road users." If Applegreen are blocking that, then they need to be held to account, and the full force of the law should be used to force them.
Basically blocked them from replacing chargers with upgraded models.
probably an element of stifling competition too but if the site has limited grid capacity and they want to put in more themselves you can understand why they’d block someone else. Let the competitor pay for the grid upgrade!
That's certainly the rumoured reason for it, they were also pretty obstinate with Gridserve in the UK who inherited a lot of Welcome Break sites from Electric Highway. Basically blocked them from replacing chargers with upgraded models. There's another group Euro Garages which serve the A55 from Holyhead which also look to have blocked Gridserve from replacing chargers on site. It does raise the question re how co-operative the different site owners will be as they start to develop their own charging hubs. Will we see Maxol block eCars from any further expansion on their sites?
You don't have to give them credibility but at least don't outright misreport what they said on a recorded programme
Don't Applegreen ultimately want to run their own network?????.
Or at least that's how I understand the whole own brand chargers like what's now in Birdhill
We'll be accused of bashing ecars which is not really my aim. But speaking of 50kW at service stations in 2022 is so 5 years behind. From the 9k cars sold this year I bet 95% are 100kW capable. But where? Not ecars. The "news" that a 50kW charger installed in 2012 is replaced by a 50kW in 2022 shows complacency. We've been domesticated to be grateful if we find an available charger not to question the lack of ambition. Planning happens since 2019.and we got a hub which was originally an Ionity site. Ecars didn't show that is capable to deploy one single hub from ground up not six as was announced and quoted in the first post of this thread. I don't know you but I would definitely be looking for a job if I'd have such a "success" rate at work.
ECars are and have for a long time been a disgrace. I'd give no credibility to anything they say.
