The wides we had, and we were unlucky with a few goal chances as well, we had balls going off the post as well! Ah jesus we threw that one away alright, but it would have been another massacre against Limerick. It's obvious that the wins over Waterford and Tipp, had more to do with both of those teams being out of sorts now.
dont ever worry about the next day , today was down to management i dont care , hit your frees keep yourself in the game dont put a fine center back in corner forward and chance your arm ,
on a plus for cork robbie flynn , luke meade , joyce at 6 and fitzgibbon were really good , Galway's physicality did help them in the second half though
It’s the Hope that kills you. Certainly a better team that what’s shown on the pitch, but something fundamentally wrong somewhere. I don’t blame the keeper, we had all game to pull it back against a poor Galway side. To have any hope of winning an AI we should have won it at a canter. Then again we might have only for all those *%^£@)” wides. Would love to see Ryan/Furlong take charge.
Looking forward to the Clare v KK game, should be good.
I think there's another few years still left in Hoggie. He owes Cork nothing at this stage though. No team wins an all Ireland without a solid defence, so that's an area Cork need to improve on going forward.
Cork did not have the physical presence to deal with 2018 Galway.
You could have a point there, but i felt that Galway were on the slide from their 2017 form that year to be honest.
Alan Cadogan did well when he came on, and Kingston has pretty much ignored him all year. Christ John Meyler was a bad manager, but Kieran Kingston is even worse imo.
There's a lot of comment here about the Cork management, most of which is accurate and warranted. However, its the players that are ultimately costing us. There is no spine to this team, and by that I mean we don't have dominant leader players in the key positions of 1, 3, 6, 8, 9, 11 & 14. That is what is ultimately costing us time and time again. No management will sort that, it's up to the players themselves to nail those positions down and show real leadership. Look at the last AI winning Cork team in those positions, Donal Og, Sully, Curran, Tom & Jerry, Niall Mc & Brian Corcoran. All leaders. The issue with the current team is that most of the best players are wing/corner players. Perhaps Chris Joyce will become a top no. 6, and Fitzgibbon can be dominant at 8 but outside of that we're lacking leadership in the key positions. It's costing us time and time again.
Is "leadership" (constantly used on the Sunday Game these days) not just another word for "good". As in, players who play well tend to be awarded the "leadership" tag. In any practical sense it's meaningless is it not? It's about the ability of the players rather than anything else. If and when Cork win again, we'll be told they are showing leadership. But it's really an abstraction isn't it?
Not at all. For example, in soccer, Denis Irwin was an outstanding player but I would never classify him as a leader. Keane would have been seen as both.
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Serious question. Do you think that the massive investment involved in developing a pitch like Pairc UI Caoimh has meant the eye has been taken off the ball as regards developing the game at under age level in Cork?. I, as a Limerick man, feel, rightly or wrongly, that while our county were developing the Ennis Road Venue, the under age structures was almost totally over looked. What ever about Cork we certainly do not need such a huge pitch in Limerick, especially with three other large ones in Munster. I am half a Cork man, they are a great hurling county, and I wish them well. They will undoubtedly rise again, but big changes need to be made.
What's the definition of a leader then? Don't know a lot about either of the names you mention but my understanding is that Roy Keane failed largely when in leadership roles as a manager and is now nearly unemployable in that area as a result. Would be interesting to see leadership discussed in that context. It doesn't sound like an ideal template for Cork hurling but maybe I'm missing something.
I assume Kingston will be going but let’s hope the likes of Furlong and Mulcahy won’t be part of the new management team. It’s obvious Mulchay has pushed for having o Mahony in the full forward line ahead of Patrick Horgan. How did Alan Cadogan not see more game time always a threat and a good turn of pace. Love to see Pat Ryan and his u20 team involved
If you don't understand how Roy Keane was a leader on the pitch, you clearly never saw him play.
He was a bit before my time as a player for a clear memory so I never mentioned him as a player. It was as a manager I reckoned his leadership skills were shown to be poor given that nobody will employ him now.
You seemed to have changed the narrative from leaders on the pitch to management? Not sure you have a grasp of ideology at all.
No, I didn't change the narrative at all. It was when Roy Keane was mentioned the narrative changed - he has been a failure as a manager (my memory of him). That's all I commented on. I didn't get the relevance to two non-hurlers from the old days at all to be honest.
When Cork hurlers get better players people will call them leaders. It's mot any more complicated than that I think. 'Leadership' is one of these buzzwords people throw out but it has no real meaning.
Padraig Mannion. Cathal Mannion.
Padraig is a leader. Shouting/barking orders/calling players aside during breaks in play to tinker with positional issues. Giving players a shoe in the hole when needed.
Cathal Mannion is a quiet unassuming man who wouldn't say boo to a child. Doesn't make him any less of a player simply just his nature. Leaders on the pitch are common place in any team sport. Anyone who thinks it's just a buzz word I would wonder have they ever stepped on a pitch? Maybe you have..
Just on your last line - this isn't about me. Nothing to do with me.
? It has to so with your understanding or lack thereof of the term "leaders on a pitch" which you seem to question the validity of. In my opinion someone who played a team sport regularly would have no problem understanding the importance of leaders on a pitch.
Okay. Then why don't Cork pick some of these leaders then do you reckon?
From the Cork fans responses here it would seem they are lacking them. Nature of the beast. Some are born leaders. Some not. A trait not easily acquired or coached.
Yea I totally amazed at this Cork attitude..won a couple of underage titles and think they will win all Ireland's in a few years..don't see all these great players that will come up and bring this team on..Ask galway how hard it is to turn underage into senior success.
Because we don't currently have them. Thought that would obvious to a blind man in fairness.
Ladies up 2-09 v 1-02 at ht
I notice in this original commentary the poster says that most of the best players are wing/corner players (not "key positions" apparently) . Sounds suspiciously like an idea that best players and 'leaders' are in fact the same thing. I'm reading it wrong no doubt.
Or ask Clare… had a good few U-21s in the bag a few years back. They have 1 AI in 2013 to show for it, and if Cork were cute they would have nabbed that one. Very difficult to win an AI.
Donegal really making Cork sweat in the closing minutes, cork's lead down to 3
Poor second half by the ladies only scoring 3 points. But it was enough to win by 2-12 v 1-10
Dafuq? I'm probably one of the most active posters on this thread ya clown. But good on ya, when you've nothing intelligent to discuss back, just attack the poster
