Terrible loss of life,but to me clearly self defense.
I'm very relieved for the accused.
Do you know what a book of evidence is? Go on, honestly do you? Do you know the procedure around it and the signifcance to the trial process from charge onwards?
Believe it or not, I have a long standing policy on boards of not giving links to people who are ignorant of facts on a subject and can go find it themselves.
For one, it encourages the dimmer among us to go and actually discover for themselves how badly they're making a muppet of themselves. And secondly, when the penny drops that they've made a muppet of themselves, is a very heartening moment.
I asked a very simple question, if you don't know just say so.
Boggles in not understanding the legal system shocka Part.2. Full story in the sunday supplmement.
Yeah no one suggested that, very poor attempt at whatever that was supposed to me.
Of course the High Court knew. It was in the book of evidence* furnished by the State to the High Court.
You'll have no problem providing citation or a link to what informed you so.
In your own good time.
So, really all the judge needed to do was look at a video and then scrap the upcoming trial and all go home?
So Cmon Boggles do you let the murder accused out on bail knowing he had booked flights or no?
If you say no, you're a grade-A bullsh*tter. If you say yes, you've lost face arguing a point you know is bullsh*t
*I can tell you're out of your depth here
The High Court judge was fully aware of the flights. It was furnished to the court by the state.
Citation please.
You absolutely do bail given the underwhelming lack of evidence the state had on it's trumped up clown show trial. A mans liberty and presumption of innocence has to be weighted higher than any fears the DPP may have, as stated clearly by the Court of Appeal in the Barrister case, also stated by the High Court judge in the baby murderer case.
Again the entire incident was on video. Something you seem to forget.
What do you do? Do you bail?
Remember we're talking about the citizen of Bogglesland.
Yeah it certainly does , its a rough area i know it very well. But incidents with delivery drivers are a very low end of the scale. As i said , a broken nose in finglas, a broken nose and some teeth in east wall , a hit and run resulting in death as well. In i dont know 20 years? I think to suggest the brazilians would have lost their lifes is a massive stretch. We will never know.
No where does it suggest that either the DPP or the High Court knew that the innocent victims girlfriend had booked flights at the time of his bail hearing.
Now back to what you said, no one ever in the history of Ireland will get bail or will ever get bail if there is a hint of not showing up for the trial in a murder charge.
That's blatantly untrue isn't it?
Ok, ok. I'll break this one down for and give you a hypothesis Boggles.
Imagine for a moment that you are a High Court judge. You have before you a murder accused applying for bail.
You learn that the accused murderer, immediately after the incident booked flights to a non-extradition country (Let's call it Bogglesland). The accused is a citizen of Bogglesland, a jurisdiction well-known to not extradite it's citizens.
Be honest now, what do you do?
If you answer you grant bail in this circumstance, you're a grade-A bullsh*tter.
Again, for the 6th time, his girlfriend had booked flights because she was in fear of their safety. The flights were cancelled that afternoon and Mr. Bento handed himself in and fully cooperated with Gardaí, as a person attempting to flee goes, that's a bit shít isn't it? Cancelling the flights and handing yourself in would be the complete opposite to fleeing, wouldn't it? 😂
Considering a Deliveroo driver was attacked that week for merely cycling past a vigil for the deceased her fears were very much real.
But lets nip this in the bud once and for all.
You said.
All day, every day, until the end of time, murder accused who display even a hint of being a risk of absconding are put on remand and stay there
Not so though is it?
A leading barrister, who is accused of murdering a father of four in a fatal shooting on farmland in Tallaght, has been granted bail on Friday evening after the Court of Appeal overturned the rejection of his bail application by the High Court last month
Justice George Birmingham said the accused man enjoys a presumption of innocence and as part of that he enjoys a presumption in favour of bail
Even when a High Court, yes deemed 'hinted" even that he was a flight risk
powerful incentive to evade justice” based on the seriousness of the charge, the strength of the evidence
Your statement is absolute nonsense.
One murder accused had flights booked to abscond to Brazil the day after some lay dead, one did not.
I'd say I trust you understand the distinction, but I know you already do.
You've just thrown down your anchor on a conspiracy theory and backpeddling in the face of cold hard legal reality is too much for you.
Sorry the dual national affluent barrister facing a murder charge who just returned from holidays is a conspiracy?
Okay.
Conspiracy theory alert.
All day, every day, until the end of time, murder accused who display even a hint of being a risk of absconding are put on remand and stay there. It's time you reconciled yourself to that.
Apart from the affluent barrister who has dual nationality.
I look forward to the next high profile case where a murder accused is refused bail based on obvious public interest grounds and your song and dance in favour of the presumption of innocence
See above. What more of a comparable do you need?
I think it is generally accepted that the area has a crime problem.
You're not to be helped Boggles.
Bento sealed his pre-trial fate with the WhatsApps and flights.
I look forward to the next high profile case where a murder accused is refused bail based on obvious public interest grounds and your song and dance in favour of the presumption of innocence.
By having booked flights in the first instance
Again, his girlfriend booked the flights in fear of retaliation.
This isn't a shoplifting charge. It's a murder charge. The most serious charge one can face
Absolutely the DPP better be damn sure they have the evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt before they put any person through that experience, but as evidenced by the clown show they had no such evidence.
The justice system has a job to protect the integrity of the trial and the safety of the public.
By locking up innocent victims?
Cool.
Bento reasonably believed he had a knife. that is enough. and I never called you a troll. that was a different poster.
That you are sure of are you? Any stats or anything no?
Anything to avoid the question eh?
Hahahahaha, but you said he had a knife? And is it you that called me a troll?
it hasn't set any precedent.
He made it appear that he had. that is enough justification for me.
LOL
The ould CCTV footage is a curse on the gardai in these cases. Hard to bullshit a judge when the events are recorded.
Anything to avoid placing the responsibility exactly where it belongs, eh?
I even saw one article saying if it wasn't for the lockdowns he would have been playing football.
Seems like there's only two choices for young lads here. Playing football or attacking delivery drivers. No middle ground.
Maybe the kid should have been working as a delivery rider himself, earning a bit of money? Nah. Too dangerous.
By having booked flights in the first instance. That's high risk of absconding behaviour and 100 percent of High Court judges will consign you to remand until trial off the back of it.
You need to come in from the fog on this one. There is no conspiracy. That's the court system doing its job, and doing it well.
The High Court was not there to adjudicate on his guilt or innocence, it was there to assess if Bento was to be granted bail considering a. If He was a further public order or safety risk,.and b. if he was a flight risk. He was objectively b. all day long.
This isn't a shoplifting charge. It's a murder charge. The most serious charge one can face. The justice system has a job to protect the integrity of the trial and the safety of the public.
You are discounting all of the lower level incidents that don’t get reported.
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