Terrible loss of life,but to me clearly self defense.
I'm very relieved for the accused.
Care to share the celebratory posts? What I've seen is people happy that someone defending his friend from angles stamping on his head isn't being punished. Or do you just not understand English?
Angles
Oh **** off you are a troll
i amnt a troll
Whatever the ins and outs of the case, somone was dead, Bento knew he was facing serious charges, and was preparing to hotfoot it to Brazil.
There is nothing shameful about the judge keeping him on remand. We have a justice system, it needs to be respected. A critical part of that is managing flight risks. Apart from his nationality which he could do nothing about, Bento was a big red flashing flight risk via his own behaviour.
If he ended up back in Brazil hiding from extraditon, we'd have a multi page thread as long as this one with people crowing about "soft on crime courts let killer flee Ireland!". 100 percent guaranteed, that's as sure as the sun will rise tommorow morning. And you know what, you may well be one of the posters shouting about it.
Ah, lads give it a rest. What's done is done.
What a load of rubbish. George presented himself with a solicitor at a Garda station. He came from an area that that would make the East Wall or any part of Dublin like a Sunday school kindergarten. He came out of that a bit like Josh without a criminal record. Maybe Josh would have got to that stage as well.
I wonder was part of keeping him on remand to prevent any attempt on his life.
Was Josh a so called scrote or potential one, I am not sure or comfortable with that discretion. I think he was in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong company.
He did not get involved straight away. He only reacted after his friend got hurt. However he then got involved in an assault. What happened to him was tragic but neither was it the fault of George Bento.
He had no reason to trust in any justice system considering what and where he came from.
What stood out from me was a DPP and it legal team that presented evidence that lacked credibility.
Pretty sure I already asked but could you provide a source for him booking flights?
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Fair enough. Could have sworn I read it was actually the girlfriend who booked them.
The Gardai had already appeared to his house to question him. Flights were booked. He knew he was in the **** because of the Whatsapps (which were deleted before being retreived) when he was dissuading someone else from going to the Gardai.
Cmon, I'm not saying the man was guilty of murder, I respect the jury's decision - but he was acting sketch as hell in the aftermath and was clearly making plans to leave Ireland.
You can say "rubbish" all you want, but the man was clearly a flight risk.
I'm not aware if it was him or the girlfriend who booked them. Either way, it's not a good look when you're applying for bail and it's one way to guaruntee you'll be on remand until trial.
Its Interesting that the prosecution charged him with producing a utility knife to intimate another........ And then failed to present this individual in court or put him on the stand.
I have nothing to offer on this point. I'm merely stating the obvious regarding how he ended up on remand as opposed to bailed.
And this is where the whole matter starts and ends. The prosecution would not put the central individual to the complete situation on the stand.
Did they put any of Josh's friends on the stand, I am not sure, but they tried to paint a picture about George Bentos and his actions that never reflected the reality in the ground
He used the knife in self defence
The scumbag talk Is accurate. Josh Dunne and his mates assaulted two men, inflicting a broken nose and teeth on one of them.
I think we should leave the dead in peace. Yes the media tend to come up with this stuff. They have to attach something to a name.
It's a horrible trajedy. None of us sat on the jury. We did not see or hear the full evidence.
Using a knife seems extreme in my view to even defend yourself but I don't know all circumstances of it.
However the jury having heard all the evidence decided it was reasonable in the circumstances.
These delivery men were frequently attacked.
In societal terms we tend to stick a defendant up without tackling root causes.
Did the guards provide enough patrols around the city at this time?
When a kid is involved in attacking people do we do enough to dissuade the kid/teenager away from trouble?
Id say the answers to both questions are a firm NO
The prosecution had to present what evidence they had in a way favourable to their case.
I can’t understand why people are unhappy that the case was taken at all. The evidence was clearly weak, but there was a killing and a case to answer.
Mr Bento has had his good name restored.
But he didn't "hotfoot it" to Brazil, he voluntarily went to the Gardaí.
The pontification of the virtues of our Justice System and how it needs to be respected is nauseating.
Our Justice System took the liberty of an innocent man for 500+ days, nothing 'Just' about that.
Again from start to finish, from the time the bike was stolen to the vicious assault that led to the death was all on film.
This man wasn't found not guilty on a technicality or some inadmissible evidence or in a he said she said trial.
Taking the liberty of a man who is innocent is one thing, taking the liberty of man who was clearly engaged in self defence is absolutely shameful. Think about the message that sends out, get your head kicked in with the result either death or life changing injuries but under no circumstances fight back.
If these were 2 investments bankers who were out having a smoke in front of their office and they were attacked in the same manner, this wouldn't have even gone to court.
The Brazilian lad with the 'menial' job, fúck him.
Exactly, the activist types just see him as faceless peon who serves them while they talk about "solidarity" with their friends over the food he delivered.
He was a lumpen prole to them.
That’s BS.
If two investment bankers were shown on CCTV causing the death of someone for whatever reason, they would absolutely be sent for trial.
It really starts to sound like a sham of a case from the DPP to be honest.
Like fúck they would, they wouldn't have spent a minute in prison and they certainly wouldn't have been charged with murder.
Good name restored? You're having a laugh. I presume he has already left the country and won't be returning.
There is a case like that pendinng at the moment, will be a real test for our Justice system, is the accused in jail?
Boggles, you're dancing on the head of a pin. Someone who books flights to a non extraditing country the day after they stab someone and that person dies, is flirting with skipping town to avoid justice. Simple as.
He only went to AGS after the Gardai called to his house and he contacted a solicitor because he knew the jig was up. And at that stage the solicitor already copped that his client had already f*cked himself for bail with the flights and WhatsApp conversations.
No judge is going to give bail. And that is right and correct and managing a real risk. you need to come down from the clouds on this.
I know a young lad died and the undercurrent here is that he deserved it, but don't lose the plot altogether. No judge was going to do anything other than remand him.
It's the most serious charge one could face and the defendant had already toyed with leaving the jurisdiction.
What are you basing that assertion on?
Wealth or high social standing is no protection when a death occurs.
Recent past examples: Architect prosecuted for murder; Wealthy business man prosecuted for murder of wife.
Hang on, didn't you say yesterday it is píss easy to get to mainland UK and be gone like Kaiser Soze?
Seems to be like if the lad wanted to "hotfoot it" he could have quite easily, he didn't though he handed himself in.
The DPP and especially the High Court Judge are morally and legally obliged to give more weight to his basic fundamental rights, his presumption of innocence and his liberty. With those rights come certain risks, but those risks should not and can not trump those rights.
It's a pity he didn't abscond TBH.
As for dancing on a head of pin, nope. This whole case was lathered in incompetence at best, but more than likely outright dishonesty, the safety net was there, who gives a flying fúck about a foreign delivery driver, right? Sure wasn't Justice served (eventually), something, something.
I'm actually on your side here. The stabbing was totally out of proportion.
The Brazilian guy absolutely should have waited until he and his friend were kicked to death by a gang of youths before he decided to defend himself and his friend with a knife.
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