I don't think it speaks to its inclusive nature. Sometimes I feel if I say anything or pass comment on the fact that it is actually an exclusive month dedicated to a minority, I am deemed a bigot which I am not. Discuss....🤔
That’s not very nice poking fun at the dress codes of the Islamic community, is it? One marginalized minority leveraging another to crudely make a point.
Perhaps you would benefit from some sensitivity training?
We haven't achieved equality when LGBT people are still regularly attacked verbally or physically for who they are.
When Trans people are being unfairly targeted by organised (and well funded) groups.
That is not equality.
Don't forget it is still illegal to be gay in I think approx 70 countries round the world etc. Ireland has come a long way in a short time but it isn't some utopia for LGBT people by any means.
Not really, but I do understand the nuanced point he's trying to make.
I can only speak from personal experience. That's a problem, because it's not objective. But my personal experience tells me that there's a certain stratum of the LGBT population who, for whatever reason, feel the need to reinforce their identity onto others. In fact, I was guilty of this myself, especially in the earlier years from when I came out. I knew exactly what I was doing, too.
It's almost a kind of "...let's get them before they get me"-kind of approach, and let's force acceptance from people we've just met (or who are in our surroundings) - just in case. So let's be overly gay, overly stereotypical, overly ostentatious - just to establish our presence in the environment in which we find ourselves. By doing this, we're forcing acceptance and making ourselves feel better.
This is not a majority, that must be emphasized. But there is a certain stratum who do go out of their way to "prove a point" to others regarding their sexuality; almost forcing others to accept it before they can even consider it. I think @[Deleted User] came up with a very accurate expression when he said "challenge"; as that is exactly what it is; a challenge to others to accept us.
I saw a story on rte earlier today about an lgbtq+ gaa team being set up.
For a group that wants inclusicity, isn't it a bit ironic they set up a team for only lgbtq people? 🤔
Physical attacks are not legal in Ireland, and if you look at any such incidents in the media, people are not supportive or even neutral about them. E.g. the Sligo attacks, people are horrified. Not sure what “equality” can do now to fix that? The Sligo incident seems to be the work of a mentally unhinged extremely violent lone wolf type. But there seems to be issues with violence and anti-social behaviour in general in Dublin and other Irish towns.
It would be interesting and a good thing if more focus was put on the mistreatment of gay people in other regimes. They are after all suffering most? That might be a step to far for some people, especially the corporate sponsors.
You saw it but you didn't pay any attention clearly.....it's explicitly LGBTQ+ inclusive....you don't have to be LGBTQ+ to play or be involved with them.
Totally agree, I think alternative pride is much closer to the actual aim of what pride should be about.
It wasn't really a nuanced point. It was literally Straight couple kissing - thats fine. Gay couple - not fine.
Were not far off that point.
We can't dare think independently of the minority.
If we dare have our own thoughts which aren't those of the minority we are branded as( choose your insult).
The minority will soon have the upper hand and the rest of us will be protesting for our rights if we're allowed.
That's between you and @[Deleted User].
But, based on the point I made in my post, do you agree that some - and I emphasize, some - LGBT people over-emphasize their identity in certain contexts to others as a means of forcing acceptance?
If wearing bikinis is a problem then everyone should be covering up on beaches
I don't know about that.
There has to be a start. Look at the emerald warriors rugby team. Well respected and now, well a feckin rugby team. That's it.
Talk about purposely going out of your way to try and take offence where none was intended, when you’ve made your own feelings about Muslims quite clear 😂
If anyone’s leveraging one marginalised community against another here, it’s you, because there was no mention of the Islamic community, not least because of the fact that Burkinis aren’t any part of the Islamic dress code. They’re swimwear that anyone can wear, by choice.
Not for a moment though do I think you’re that dense that you missed the point of the joke.
Yes, indeed. However, there was no need for you to reference the clothing of a vulnerable minority to make your point.
Please be more careful with utterances moving forward.
The facts as far as I am aware is that LGBT people statistically are a lot more likely to be a victim of physical/verbal abuse, that is my point. Pretty much every gay person I know has had multiple incidences, I can't say the same about my straight friends. I also think the incidences are under reported....I was walking home at night with my other half (now husband)... attacked by two scumbags and slashed in the face with a Stanley knife...f@ggot...used repeatedly...and you know what the gardai were useless one tit saying it definitely wasn't homophobic, they did f#ck all. It should be about protesting not about marketing for f#cking Tesco and Sky.
I agree with second part as you said.
Had a quick look at this. Apart from their history of arresting and harassing gay people, what’s the issue today with uniformed Gardai ? Mainly seemed to be a US imported “defund the police” type thing. Quote: “we view them as a weapon for keeping us down”.
Also the claim that it’s for rich white Irish gays only seems dubious. The last 2 categories would certainly be well represented as it’s on in Ireland.
https://www.her.ie/amp/life/pride-has-lost-its-radical-edge-the-group-running-its-own-parade-this-saturday-469673
I knew a chap who played for the Emerald Warriors. Said he left the team because of all the internal politics. Can imagine, I said. No you can't, he said.
Will we expect to see you covered up on the beach this summer Jack?
I suspect that will be a tremendous relief to your fellow holiday makers.
Are you implying there could be a future where no homophobic crimes could ever exist?
Pride Month, just like any other movement today is all just to do with attention seeking. The world’s people are obsessed with being approved and recognized and tagged and bigged up!!!
ONe person. I wont guess at the internal politics, but it's a start and well respected.
Rugby is played on the pitch. Not your sexuality.
I can only speak from my personal experience with the gardai when I was a victim of a homophobic attack and it was poor, and it wasn't that long ago.
I think validation is the word that psychologists use, but yes, I think the direction of travel of your point is right.
Of course not unfortunately, but there is no reason why we couldn't highlight the issue and try to reduce the likelihood of one occuring.
Hamachi if I laid out on a beach, people would be calling Greenpeace, thinking they’d just spotted a beached whale 😂
Yep, and the post you have here that got many thanks: Well, it’s pretty much everything I would have tried to say!!!!
I would bet you my mortgage that this isn't how it would work at all. It would be promoted as an LGBTQ+ friendly team that would start at the very bottom of the junior leagues, but they would absolutely welcome everyone regardless of their sexual orientation.
Case in point, the Emerald Warriors rugby team. Exact same premise but they welcome everyone.
Imagine trying to make out the LGBTQ+ community as non-inclusive and making absolute sh*te of it. Another swing and a miss from your good self.
Their argument is basically that Pride has become mainstream. I like the way you put that though -
Apart from their history of arresting and harassing gay people, what’s the issue today with uniformed Gardai ?
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We're gay. We're not victims.
Sometimes, bad things happen. As they do to everyone. But that's all it is.
It’s not like you Eskimo to pretend you missed the point? 🤔
As if 😂
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