I don't think it speaks to its inclusive nature. Sometimes I feel if I say anything or pass comment on the fact that it is actually an exclusive month dedicated to a minority, I am deemed a bigot which I am not. Discuss....🤔
Are you implying there could be a future where no homophobic crimes could ever exist?
Will we expect to see you covered up on the beach this summer Jack?
I suspect that will be a tremendous relief to your fellow holiday makers.
I knew a chap who played for the Emerald Warriors. Said he left the team because of all the internal politics. Can imagine, I said. No you can't, he said.
Had a quick look at this. Apart from their history of arresting and harassing gay people, what’s the issue today with uniformed Gardai ? Mainly seemed to be a US imported “defund the police” type thing. Quote: “we view them as a weapon for keeping us down”.
Also the claim that it’s for rich white Irish gays only seems dubious. The last 2 categories would certainly be well represented as it’s on in Ireland.
https://www.her.ie/amp/life/pride-has-lost-its-radical-edge-the-group-running-its-own-parade-this-saturday-469673
The facts as far as I am aware is that LGBT people statistically are a lot more likely to be a victim of physical/verbal abuse, that is my point. Pretty much every gay person I know has had multiple incidences, I can't say the same about my straight friends. I also think the incidences are under reported....I was walking home at night with my other half (now husband)... attacked by two scumbags and slashed in the face with a Stanley knife...f@ggot...used repeatedly...and you know what the gardai were useless one tit saying it definitely wasn't homophobic, they did f#ck all. It should be about protesting not about marketing for f#cking Tesco and Sky.
I agree with second part as you said.
Yes, indeed. However, there was no need for you to reference the clothing of a vulnerable minority to make your point.
Please be more careful with utterances moving forward.
Talk about purposely going out of your way to try and take offence where none was intended, when you’ve made your own feelings about Muslims quite clear 😂
If anyone’s leveraging one marginalised community against another here, it’s you, because there was no mention of the Islamic community, not least because of the fact that Burkinis aren’t any part of the Islamic dress code. They’re swimwear that anyone can wear, by choice.
Not for a moment though do I think you’re that dense that you missed the point of the joke.
I don't know about that.
There has to be a start. Look at the emerald warriors rugby team. Well respected and now, well a feckin rugby team. That's it.
If wearing bikinis is a problem then everyone should be covering up on beaches
That's between you and @[Deleted User].
But, based on the point I made in my post, do you agree that some - and I emphasize, some - LGBT people over-emphasize their identity in certain contexts to others as a means of forcing acceptance?
Were not far off that point.
We can't dare think independently of the minority.
If we dare have our own thoughts which aren't those of the minority we are branded as( choose your insult).
The minority will soon have the upper hand and the rest of us will be protesting for our rights if we're allowed.
It wasn't really a nuanced point. It was literally Straight couple kissing - thats fine. Gay couple - not fine.
Totally agree, I think alternative pride is much closer to the actual aim of what pride should be about.
You saw it but you didn't pay any attention clearly.....it's explicitly LGBTQ+ inclusive....you don't have to be LGBTQ+ to play or be involved with them.
Physical attacks are not legal in Ireland, and if you look at any such incidents in the media, people are not supportive or even neutral about them. E.g. the Sligo attacks, people are horrified. Not sure what “equality” can do now to fix that? The Sligo incident seems to be the work of a mentally unhinged extremely violent lone wolf type. But there seems to be issues with violence and anti-social behaviour in general in Dublin and other Irish towns.
It would be interesting and a good thing if more focus was put on the mistreatment of gay people in other regimes. They are after all suffering most? That might be a step to far for some people, especially the corporate sponsors.
I saw a story on rte earlier today about an lgbtq+ gaa team being set up.
For a group that wants inclusicity, isn't it a bit ironic they set up a team for only lgbtq people? 🤔
Not really, but I do understand the nuanced point he's trying to make.
I can only speak from personal experience. That's a problem, because it's not objective. But my personal experience tells me that there's a certain stratum of the LGBT population who, for whatever reason, feel the need to reinforce their identity onto others. In fact, I was guilty of this myself, especially in the earlier years from when I came out. I knew exactly what I was doing, too.
It's almost a kind of "...let's get them before they get me"-kind of approach, and let's force acceptance from people we've just met (or who are in our surroundings) - just in case. So let's be overly gay, overly stereotypical, overly ostentatious - just to establish our presence in the environment in which we find ourselves. By doing this, we're forcing acceptance and making ourselves feel better.
This is not a majority, that must be emphasized. But there is a certain stratum who do go out of their way to "prove a point" to others regarding their sexuality; almost forcing others to accept it before they can even consider it. I think @[Deleted User] came up with a very accurate expression when he said "challenge"; as that is exactly what it is; a challenge to others to accept us.
We haven't achieved equality when LGBT people are still regularly attacked verbally or physically for who they are.
When Trans people are being unfairly targeted by organised (and well funded) groups.
That is not equality.
Don't forget it is still illegal to be gay in I think approx 70 countries round the world etc. Ireland has come a long way in a short time but it isn't some utopia for LGBT people by any means.
That’s not very nice poking fun at the dress codes of the Islamic community, is it? One marginalized minority leveraging another to crudely make a point.
Perhaps you would benefit from some sensitivity training?
In fairness, @[Deleted User] pretty clearly thinks it's different when a person is gay...
I've been to a bunch, thanks very much. I'll bookmark this and stick up some photos of the next one. I'd expect it'll take about 10 mins and not a lot of photos to validate my point.
Joking - obviously. But it's not a family friendly event.
We'll just make burkinis mandatory for all beach goers too 🤣
Seriously is my mentality out of sync? I'm mid 40,so and it's pretty much what the fonz would do. Be cool!
You haven't really been to many actual prides in Dublin is my guess....it tends to be pretty tame...the people you are talking about are also a tiny percentage. I tend to wear a t shirt and jeans so do my friends...madness I know...filth! I might even have a little pride flag pin badge...the scandal of it all...you would need your smelling salts...
My main issue with Pride is it isn't much of a protest these days it's more about corporate sponsors like Sky and Tesco and is extremely sanitized, but hey as long as people have a nice day out with friends/family that is grand by me.
If 97% of the population were LGBT and 3% were straight; yet 50% of political and social attention was on the 3%, the 97% of the LGBT population in this thought experiment would react in exactly the same way.
We've achieved equality. It's time to move on!
Exactly the point @Liberty_Bear was making. If you think heterosexuality gets flaunted and shoved in our faces every single day but noone ever objects
You poor thing, have you a box of kleenex handy?
Logically, anything anyone does is shoving something into someone's face. I've had to endure the bloated, boozy football fans roaring, drinking and trashing the area in which I live. I don't hear anyone saying football is unnecessary though.
Lads in assless chaps or lads walking around in bikinis and thongs or whatnot are always going to be a fixture. But hey, Pride. It should be held in December, that might mitigate the resulting clothing choices, somewhat. LGBT - whatever are their own worst enemies.
When you go to a queer friendly or gay venue, you know what to expect... it's the norm to have that provocative behaviour because it's a closed environment. Pride is not such a closed environment, and that's why people can/will criticise those involved.
You’re hardly suggesting that people don’t know what to expect at Pride? 😂
People DO know what to expect, and what’s more, people who want to criticise Pride go looking for things to be offended by, and if there isn’t anything, they’ll make something out of nothing.
It’s why they parade the most sensationalist and provocative shìt they can find on social media as if it’s actually all that Pride is about, and that’s all people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender are all about, exactly what you’re doing - perceiving anything which they find offensive as “a challenge” as though people’s intent is to be offensive.
It would be like me suggesting that the lad in the body stocking doing cartwheels at the Pride parade a few years ago was being intentionally provocative because to me there was just no hiding an erection in that costume 😂
I could do like you and assume his intent was to be provocative, but it’s far more reasonable to assume the lad was just a bit excited to be taking part in the parade 😂
There was no malice in it at all, but people who want to criticise Pride will portray an innocent moment in ways which support and confirm their already held prejudices, or play on the prejudices and fears and beliefs that they know exist in other people.
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