It's a good example of why destinations chargers aren't suitable for shopping centres. They work if the shopping centre is going to install large numbers of them, but 4 just doesn't cut the mustard any more.
There should really be a reasonable charge for using chargers at train stations so that people can decide if its advantageous to use then or whether they would be better off charging up at home. At least then people would avoid taking up scarce chargers for the save of securing a few cents worth of free electricity, allowing someone who mnot have home charging or needing a charge to get home to use them. Free is bad when demand far exceeds supply
So 4 chargers are being used full time basically which is 3 or 2 more than most other sites, maybe write a less vulgar letter to the management and ask for more chargers.
To be fair to the shopping centre they are providing these chargers free of charge. The parking is also free. Yes it's nice to be able to get a few kw's in for free while you do your groceries or meet someone for a coffee but these chargers are still being paid for by someone else!!
Does Nutgrove not have a 4 hour maximum stay? A permit is probably needed to stay for that long every day, so it is probably someone working in the centre.
I think you are right. It makes it worse again if they work there. Surely at ten o'clock or even lunchtime they could move their vehicle and free up the spot for someone else.
Arah well then they are only free to use chargers, first come first served, there's even less of a comeback for the note so. Dont be a cheapskate and use the fast charger just down the road!
I usually charge at home. I very rarely use the ones in the nutgrove but I would be there quite a bit and that Volvo is there all the time.
It seems etiquette is a forgotten thing nowadays.
S/he's allowed to be there though. It's a privately owned charger in a private car park. I disagree on etiquette here too. You can't rely on etiquette at a destination charger. Once you're plugged in then that's it. Especially can't complain because someone's on the hunt for a freebie. I love a free charge, I'm a cheapskate, and I generally have balls of steel when it comes to entitlement/negotiation, but even I wouldnt criticize someone for using a free charger that I wanted!
Fair enough if you have a bev capable of taking on 300 or 400kms in a day. But a phev sitting on a charger all day to take on 40 or 50kms?
Surely good manners would tell you to move on after the 3 or 4 hours it takes to top yourself up?
You'd literally have to move one space to the right and that's another person getting a charge for free also.
The driver is either an employee of the centre or a free loader working closer by to the centre. If the former then the employer should ensure customers are not being annoyed by employees unnecessarily blocking what is a customer benefit. If the latter is a problem, the only way is to enforce max stay or introduce a token / charging regime. Probably not worth the hassle from the centre perspective
If I wanted to do 300 km, I would do it and not arse around at a charger, I would be happy with 40 or 50 km, not my problem what others want to do, if on my lunch break, I am sure as hell not thinking of some one else wanting some free electrons.
If you want free be first in line, no point writing notes or whining at the end of the line when its your turn and its all gone.
I would LMFAO if the person who got the note is managing car parking and chargers, maybe there will be still be a Volvo charging and 3 chargers switched off.
Fair enough lads. Sit there for 8 or 10 hours for 40kms.
I'm just saying common courtesy is nice and if it was me I would move to allow someone else avail of the charger as well.
That person is working, only people who have to sit for 40 km or 400 km, is guess who. No wonder you guys write such charming letters.
Same here. I like to think we're in the majority too mf.
Btw it might be worth reminding some posters... mfceiling didn't write the note!!!
Trying to divert us from the argument about free chargers 😁
ELECTRIC BUSES IN IRELAND!!!!
Seriously, this needs more fanfare 🤣
I’d be the same. I think it’s Scumbag behavior. That PHEV would be full after 2 or 3 hours.
Common decency would be to simply move it but it appears certain posters have lost that on this forum unfortunately.
Write it or not, its the message he wanted " may or may not get the message today ", others wanted to damage the car. No thought given to who is receiving the message, is that person afraid of some charger stalker?
If that is your majority so be it.
Every now and again I have to stand up for phevs and as a result I come across as anti EV, I would prefer if every one could charge and drive as they wanted but I am forced to either let the lies, half truths, ignorance, sniggering and belittling continue or do something.
Thanks lads!!
I followed this EV forum for a good year before I took the plunge. It was reading the posts here that i got to know the "unwritten" rules around charging etc.
I didn't know about load sharing on the Tesla superchargers, so that was a great tip.
More and more people are moving away from ICE bur it's still in its infancy, so being polite or considerate is still a nice commodity!!
Any plug in buses?
Electric Buses, you say? That's actually brilliant news - 120 on stream in the next 18-24 months. I know there's an option for 380 more.
Hopefully will make a difference to the air and noise pollution in some of our cities.
I heard from a colleague who just came home from Norway that it's nice with the higher volume of EV's around (including buses) that at times it's noticeably quieter than the streets of Dublin.
They're all BEV buses. But I don't think they'll fit in the parking spaces at Nutgrove 😂
I don't think they can AC charge anyway, AFAIK the batteries are so large there's no point
Yeah it's great to hear, finally starting to get some real electric buses and not those diesel hybrid jokes that Eamonn was yammering on about a while back
I think Wrightbus only do commuter buses and not coaches. So still waiting on a replacement for intercity buses, but hopefully they'll be next, especially since there's already several available worldwide
Maybe buses will use something like this in the next few years
might have a few issues trying to use Ecars sites…
Looks like the tesla proprietary plug tbh
I would say they're all plug in, unless they're planning something like Trolleybus with overhead wires.
https://www.sustainable-bus.com/trolleybus-tramway/trolleybus-market-zero-emissions/
We are a doubledecker nation. Busses are 5 m high. So they need overhead clearance . Bringing in doubledecker trolleybuses would require this clearance to be extended with al least 1m. That would be difficult for bridges , streetlight poles etc.
A quick read seemed to include a 45 kw pack also, so it would only need to get from the end of the over head line ---> bridge ----> and make contact with the over head line again.
I seen the same system tested in Germany on a motorway for trucks, the contact arm would rise and retract, they were a normal truck with a electric motor that operated on the motorway, when leaving the motor way it switched to diesel.
I don't know if it would be a cheaper system, but I do know there is a cost to large battery packs and large chargers, plus time to charge also.
The overhead lines needs to be at at least 6m all the time. It may work but I find it unlikely. I lived in a town with trolleybus and it is pretty nice with the exception of cases when large trucks parked in their lane. I imagine the tech evolved since and they found solutions, like battery buffers. Unlike trams their pantograph is double and narrower. It may work on large streets like Drumcondra road, N11. junctions look pretty bad as well
not if they have small batteries. The batteries would be constantly charged and only needed for small sections. Like bridges and some junctions.
the new DARTs will have batteries to operate on parts of the line that’s not electrified
