Terrible loss of life,but to me clearly self defense.
I'm very relieved for the accused.
I think the deliveroo driver thought getting punched by people that approached him to be more important.
"George explained to the jury his thought process in confronting the thief. "It doesn't matter [that] it's not my bike; he is doing something wrong and I had the opportunity to stop him. I just tried to do as I consider myself a good person," he said."
he didnt even know who owned the bike! just playing busy body before killing a child, sickening
They were victims, yes!
everything you said seems to be true ,
the system rarely works properly and you know little of how it works and i have little confidence in it.
if anything the wee scumbag who stole the bike in the first place should bare more responsibility for the death but he will not
yes, but the whole decided to get involved thing
people are playing the who angel angle to make yer man to be some thug, when he might not be
I think motive is important
we dont see all the evidence of course
You don't appear to have much confidence in the system, i know little of how things work but i am surprised that there was a murder charge based on what has been said in the media.
You seem to think the system rarely works.
and how do you discern that from a video? What we do know is that he grabbed hold of the bike and his mate then punched the deliveroo guy. The deliveroo guy then defended himself.
The victims were the Deliveroo Riders.
why exactly? be specific
But he was there/involved prior to his friend being stabbed, then attacked Bento.
Listen, if you think the DPP should just give it a whirl, that's fair enough, but it's not the reality.
yeah read that already
but the crux is why they became involved, if you saw 2 guys one with a knife out threatening someone on the street would you get involved
You've lost me. My point was to do with when Josh became physically involved. I read that he only became physically involved after Bento had stabbed hi friend. Reading your post I didn't see that clarity.
What crime was committed?
do you even know what you are
It's not what I'm describing.
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Where did you read that I didn't see that anywhere ? Also Bento only stabbed Josh's friend because....
I read that Josh punched Bento only after Bento stabbed Josh's friend.
do we know the details so, on what they knew, when they became involved, it would give an idea of whether they got involved with good intentions or not
we are discussing an actual event not a hypothetical.
what if this had happened to be a woman who was being robbed instead, by 2 guys one with a knife?
i feel the CCTV paints a bad picture for the attackers
without this it would much more difficult
Josh's friend became involved
That involvement was described in court as a vicious sustained punishment beating to a man who could longer defend himself. i.e. a real risk of serious harm or death.
Josh then started throwing punches as were the rest of the extremely violent mob.
It begs the question what is the criteria for self defence within the DPP.
Happened upon it and decided to involve themselves.
You know, this is what is calked fair and balanced. I agree with your take here.
Mr. Bento did not set out that day to murder-kill. Josh, very likely didn't set out to get into a violent scuffle with Mr. Bento.
Circumstances brouht them together and a teen/child lost his life. Utter devastation for his family and loved ones.
The DPP (after their work) decided this warranted charges being brought. From what I have read, I cannot disagree with the DPP, albeit I think a murder charge is a bit of a stretch.
that is what you are describing
If a case meets their criteria they try it, it isn't setup to be a slam dunk
Hmm, murder does seem a bit much given the circumstances though.
But I think if you attack anyone there's a chance you could get killed. A single punch can kill.
Not saying he deserved it though.
He arrived during the killer's altercation with a person on a moped.
The killer already had brandished the knife against the sole individual on the moped. Josh and others happened upon this, and Josh's friend became involved, resulting in him being stabbed. Josh then stepped in to retaliate/defend against this, and the killer stabbed him to death.
Of course, a lot more info to go with this, as well as context and nuance, but you can see well why the DPP felt this was worthy of trial, and why the prosecution laid out the argument that the killer (Mr. Bento) was OTT in his actions
What circumstances? Was he attacking these guys or not?
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