Terrible loss of life,but to me clearly self defense.
I'm very relieved for the accused.
Trials are expensive, people often get killed by someone else and no trial happens. Look at the burden of proof needed for the Sophie Toscan Du Plantier murder
Weird tangent, I don't think the burden of proof is unusual or is excessive in that case.
Botched investigation, little to no physical evidence and a charge based loosely on hearsay.
Comparing apples and oranges there.
This was no show trial. There was a case to be heard, enough evidence to bring it to court, and the jury made their decision.
There is a high likelihood he would have been bailed if he didn't d*ck around with booking flights the day after the incident.
He gave the judge no choice on that front.
Horrible case, I thought he might get done with manslaughter, but you have to trust the jury who have seen everything in a case like this.
No issue with him being detained, clearly a flight risk, but taking 18 months to go to court is ridiculous.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Come off it. A teenager was killed with a knife in chaotic circumstances.
There was no way in hell that the DPP wasn't going to push charges of one sort or another.
You'd likely be here crowing about soft on crime nonsense if the DPP didn't act.
Absolutely crankery.
Yes, it does seem slow here, and ironically I'd suggest that 18 months from incident to murder trial is probably as quick as it ever gets. (e.g, the recent Santini Cawley trial was 3 years after her murder).
Though it's possible that the delays are often on the defence side rather than the prosecution side.
DPP had access to the same CCTV footage that the jury saw, still went ahead anyway.
I'll repeat, there is no way in hell the DPP will not push charges in any circumstances remotely resembling this.
And I'll repeat again, we'd be getting 'soft on crime' cranks having a wobbler if they didn't.
The DPP did their job.
What show trials ?
Give us an example ?
She got Bail, with the High Court judge going out of his way to say
Judge Creedon said the court had to be “mindful of a person’s presumed innocence”.
You have to extremely mindful of it, removing ones liberty cannot be taken lightly even in the most severe of circumstances.
There's no set time on the DPP decision.
She also (presumably) didn't book flights to a non-extraditing country in the immediate aftermath.
That's true but I'm not sure it's got anything to do with the timing - I don't think the process goes any quicker just because someone has or hasn't got bail.
As for the bail issue in the Bento case - I'm guessing there was either no application or his solicitor pointed out that the required surety was going to be so big that it was pointless to apply.
It's a difficult situation really (remanded in custody for a long period, and then found innocent, but no compensation) - I can understand why it doesn't sit well with you or others. Though it's not unusual as such - it's the same situation as pertains in lots of jurisdictions, definitely UK, USA, Spain that I know of.
No, but her passport was taken and she was given extremely strict bail conditions.
TBH, I can't find a report that suggests he was denied bail, so maybe they didn't apply for it like I said previously, that certainly puts a different perspective on things.
The jury had that verdict open to them but they found him innocent. He was NOT guilty of manslaughter. Your assumption is totally incorrect. There is a case that the state should never have charged him with murder and charged him with manslaughter only. They did not. All verdicts were and are open to the Jury.
This dates back to when Padraigh Nally was charged with the murder of Frog Ward. The judge withdrew the options of a not guilty verdict from the jury in Castlebar. He was found guilty of MS and this was overturned on appeal as all verdicts are open to a jury
Yes, the High Court denied him bail.
The barrister that is up on charges for the shooting in Tallaght was also denied bail. He is a dual US / Irish citizen and the judge noted his significant links in the US. Also a country that doesn't extradite it's citizens in all but the narrowest circumstances. Think he appealed it, but I don't know where it went.
You cannot be found "innocent" here....the verdict is not guilty..semantics, I know....but
Have you citation for that? I have found nothing to suggest he went to the high court to apply for bail.
The barrister that is up on charges for the shooting in Tallaght was also denied bail. He is a dual US / Irish citizen and the judge noted his significant links in the US. Also a country that doesn't extradite it's citizens in all but the narrowest circumstances. Think he appealed it, but I don't know where it went
He very much got bail. Even had it relaxed to take a short trip with his family a couple of weeks ago..
Good to know that after reading a couple of media reports you know better than the jury who spent weeks listening to and watching evidence in detail.
BTW have you heard of the Anabel's case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Murphy
Is there a go fund me for this chap? I’ve never set one up, but if a more established boardsie could set one up and let Bentos solicitor know that we have one for him, I’d send a few bob. Let’s get him back on his feet.
"Mr Bento has been in custody for about 18 months having been refused bail by the High Court..."
From the article
The barrister was initially denied bail on the grounds I outlined above. I noted in my post that I was aware he challenged that and hadn't followed it since.
Why does he need money?
He's been living rent free for the last 18 months.
As ever, one rule for the wealthy and well-connected...
If he hadn't carried that knife, there's a very strong possibility he and his friend would now be either:
The Gardai and so-called justice system completely let down this man and everyone else who lives and works in areas where scumbags roam fearless and free.
The barrister was initially denied bail on the grounds I outlined above. I noted in my post that I was aware he challenged that and hadn't followed it since
So like I said he had the finance and expertise to challenge it.
Citing exactly what I stated, how the presumption of innocence is paramount and ones liberty can't be taking lightly.
That's him, who I won't comment on the details of what we know and an actual pregnant woman who brutally murdered an infant given bail, but a lad attacked by a large group of people whilst working had his liberty removed for nearly 18 months.
Hardly fair is it?
Why wouldn't you leave, since you get held in prison despite not committing a crime for 500 days... hopefully he rinses the state for a good few million
As far as I’m aware, you don’t get bail for a murder charge.
He likely wouldn't have found himself on remand if he didn't make moves to scarper.
He only has himself to blame on that front I'm afraid.
Decision to deny bail indeed isn't taken lightly.
But come in from the fog. The judge had very little choice given he was in the process of fleeing. Let's be real about this.
Judge's discretion upon application.
If there is a confluence of factors that the judge feels the person is a flight risk or a further danger to public order or safety he/she will almost certainly deny bail.
The former can certainly be said in this case.
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