Terrible loss of life,but to me clearly self defense.
I'm very relieved for the accused.
If he hadn't carried that knife, there's a very strong possibility he and his friend would now be either:
The Gardai and so-called justice system completely let down this man and everyone else who lives and works in areas where scumbags roam fearless and free.
As ever, one rule for the wealthy and well-connected...
Why does he need money?
He's been living rent free for the last 18 months.
"Mr Bento has been in custody for about 18 months having been refused bail by the High Court..."
From the article
The barrister was initially denied bail on the grounds I outlined above. I noted in my post that I was aware he challenged that and hadn't followed it since.
Is there a go fund me for this chap? I’ve never set one up, but if a more established boardsie could set one up and let Bentos solicitor know that we have one for him, I’d send a few bob. Let’s get him back on his feet.
Good to know that after reading a couple of media reports you know better than the jury who spent weeks listening to and watching evidence in detail.
BTW have you heard of the Anabel's case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Murphy
Yes, the High Court denied him bail.
Have you citation for that? I have found nothing to suggest he went to the high court to apply for bail.
The barrister that is up on charges for the shooting in Tallaght was also denied bail. He is a dual US / Irish citizen and the judge noted his significant links in the US. Also a country that doesn't extradite it's citizens in all but the narrowest circumstances. Think he appealed it, but I don't know where it went
He very much got bail. Even had it relaxed to take a short trip with his family a couple of weeks ago..
You cannot be found "innocent" here....the verdict is not guilty..semantics, I know....but
The barrister that is up on charges for the shooting in Tallaght was also denied bail. He is a dual US / Irish citizen and the judge noted his significant links in the US. Also a country that doesn't extradite it's citizens in all but the narrowest circumstances. Think he appealed it, but I don't know where it went.
The jury had that verdict open to them but they found him innocent. He was NOT guilty of manslaughter. Your assumption is totally incorrect. There is a case that the state should never have charged him with murder and charged him with manslaughter only. They did not. All verdicts were and are open to the Jury.
This dates back to when Padraigh Nally was charged with the murder of Frog Ward. The judge withdrew the options of a not guilty verdict from the jury in Castlebar. He was found guilty of MS and this was overturned on appeal as all verdicts are open to a jury
No, but her passport was taken and she was given extremely strict bail conditions.
TBH, I can't find a report that suggests he was denied bail, so maybe they didn't apply for it like I said previously, that certainly puts a different perspective on things.
That's true but I'm not sure it's got anything to do with the timing - I don't think the process goes any quicker just because someone has or hasn't got bail.
As for the bail issue in the Bento case - I'm guessing there was either no application or his solicitor pointed out that the required surety was going to be so big that it was pointless to apply.
It's a difficult situation really (remanded in custody for a long period, and then found innocent, but no compensation) - I can understand why it doesn't sit well with you or others. Though it's not unusual as such - it's the same situation as pertains in lots of jurisdictions, definitely UK, USA, Spain that I know of.
She also (presumably) didn't book flights to a non-extraditing country in the immediate aftermath.
There's no set time on the DPP decision.
She got Bail, with the High Court judge going out of his way to say
Judge Creedon said the court had to be “mindful of a person’s presumed innocence”.
You have to extremely mindful of it, removing ones liberty cannot be taken lightly even in the most severe of circumstances.
What show trials ?
Give us an example ?
I'll repeat, there is no way in hell the DPP will not push charges in any circumstances remotely resembling this.
And I'll repeat again, we'd be getting 'soft on crime' cranks having a wobbler if they didn't.
The DPP did their job.
DPP had access to the same CCTV footage that the jury saw, still went ahead anyway.
Yes, it does seem slow here, and ironically I'd suggest that 18 months from incident to murder trial is probably as quick as it ever gets. (e.g, the recent Santini Cawley trial was 3 years after her murder).
Though it's possible that the delays are often on the defence side rather than the prosecution side.
Come off it. A teenager was killed with a knife in chaotic circumstances.
There was no way in hell that the DPP wasn't going to push charges of one sort or another.
You'd likely be here crowing about soft on crime nonsense if the DPP didn't act.
Absolutely crankery.
Horrible case, I thought he might get done with manslaughter, but you have to trust the jury who have seen everything in a case like this.
No issue with him being detained, clearly a flight risk, but taking 18 months to go to court is ridiculous.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
There is a high likelihood he would have been bailed if he didn't d*ck around with booking flights the day after the incident.
He gave the judge no choice on that front.
This was no show trial. There was a case to be heard, enough evidence to bring it to court, and the jury made their decision.
Trials are expensive, people often get killed by someone else and no trial happens. Look at the burden of proof needed for the Sophie Toscan Du Plantier murder
Weird tangent, I don't think the burden of proof is unusual or is excessive in that case.
Botched investigation, little to no physical evidence and a charge based loosely on hearsay.
Comparing apples and oranges there.
Political reasons like a foreign adult killing a 16 year old from what could be deemed a poor socio economic circumstance. Pressure from the family, community, local councillors etc on DPP.. Show trials often happen for political reasons, the state has to be seen to seek justice no matter the cost or likelihood of the outcome. I don't know if it was the case here but it was a relatively high profile case so could understand if the DPP felt compelled to act in some way.
Trials are expensive, people often get killed by someone else and no trial happens. Look at the burden of proof needed for the Sophie Toscan Du Plantier murder.
I'm genuinely shocked that some posters think this guy somehow "got off".
He defended himself from potentially being murdered by a pack of uncontrolled animals.
I hope the bleeding hearts are never forced into such a situation.
The DPP could have decided not to proceed but they did. Because the DPP sees self defence in an extreme situation as the public "taking the law into their own hands" or, to be more accurate, as taking the law out of their hands.
The instruments of the Irish state tend to do this, allow lawlessness to run riot and then react when ordinary people protect themselves
Surely he'll have to leave Ireland or at least Dublin after this, he may be a target for reprisals?
What political reasons?
A person was killed, and a trial of the person accused of the killing took place. Where is the politics?
I am delighted for him . A bunch of them stoned me a couple of years ago . Nearly lost an eye, it is still sore and I have just recently added another problem to my eye. One pupil bigger than the other , just like David Bowie.
I bet the **** out of her , a 12 old girl. I had some explaining to do to the guards, but they didn't charge me.
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