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There's not been any talk of "Closure Actually " there's, been hints, leaks, incoherence, dilly dallying by the HSE about downgrading . HSE finallly plucked up the courage to announce their intentions yesterday, the usual senior heads sent out to bat.
Within minutes, Minister Donnelly and local politicians out , seething with anger. We then hear again how irrelevant the HSE and DOH think Donnelly is , by confirmation he'd not been informed of the decision nor had government signed off on it . (Where have we heard this before 🤔🤔)
So what I'd actually like is for Minister Donnelly to ask of himself, is it finallly time to Go 🤔
We are talking about a housing crisis not refugees. Ladies and gentlemen the deflection has begun.
So nothing. Figured.
The baby bundle idea is great if its for low income people.
People, based on the record of FF/FG, don't believe they are that incompetent. Still waiting on siteserv.
The comment was regarding who's in charge. Ministers overriding decisions their colleagues make is a sign of a reactive government, reactive to decisions in their own area, they seem or claim to be unaware of. As I say Noonan and siteserv still to come. Ministers using ignorance of their own department to hide their blushes, if not corruption, means **** government.
Again with the inability to properly read posts. It is getting tiresome, so I will respond to this post with me pointing out yet again, what was actually said, but I won't be explaining everything to you in baby steps from now on.
"Give out about the cost of living and that people are feeling the pinch..
Government offers a baby bundle to help with the cost of having a new baby for parents who are feeling the pinch
Give out about the baby bundle being a waste of money"
You actually singled out the sentence to quote me, and still didn't read it properly. What I said was - "and the money could be better spent elsewhere". It could. That is obvious. Baby bundles is as mentioned already, gesture politics. Bullshit that FG think makes them look good, and as if they are actually doing something, similar to virtue signalling. But equally bullshitty.
" Its like dial a soundbite here.
What corruption are we talking about exactly? Name specific cases."
Cronyism, Chumocracy, are both forms of corruption imo. Lowry and the Esat deal (IIRC Judge Moriarty agreed that Lowry had interfered enough in that) I mean, there are many more, but enough to make my point there. I can't comment on the ongoing suspected criminal case so I won't. Plenty for FF too. So it will be difficult to squander more money than either of those.
"So you wont answer the question. Thought so :)"
I did answer your question. Unlike yourself and others on these forums I don't run away/avoid questions, only to pop up a while later when you think they are forgotten about. Or when you pretend not to read them.. 🙄
I won't add the obligatory giant picture like yourself has been doing, because it really adds nothing to the discussion. You're just short of colouring them in, which you may start to do the next time you are free, and hiding from another question.
Funny you using that idiom (incorrectly), with all the things you can't see when they are pointed out and explained to you. Or is that refusal?
But also to note, back to that nonsense HDI. The statistic itself is meaningless, being used as some sort of trophy by FFG.
Funny how it goes unmentioned that the European countries that Ireland leap frogged are all having refugee problems. Two of them having warned Ireland about what may happen, but it went largely ignored.
Finland was 2nd in the 2014 report and find themselves down to 11th in the 2019 (2020) report. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885101830681X
Germany (now 6th) and Sweden (now 7th) were joint 3rd - I don't think that they need explaining.
Netherlands were joint 1st with Norway (now joint 8th with Australia) - https://borgenproject.org/facts-about-refugees-in-the-netherlands/
Australia (not in Europe) was joint 2nd (now joint 8th)
Ireland were 7th.
So it is very very likely, that whoever is in government when your beloved HDI report next comes out, that Ireland will have dropped or plummeted down the chart after we have finished taking in the all of the Refugees our infrastructure can't handle.
EDITED - to add current positions.
Generally speaking these are no win situations. People decry political interference until they want it and then they demand it no matter the realities.
So do you want the Navan hospital to close or do you want the government to interfere and keep it open?
Cant have both now!
.Yeah, again with the "Other countries do it.." - and I saw that. They started in 2017. Not during times like these when everyone is feeling the pinch, and the money could be better spent elsewhere. 'Baby bundles'
Give out about the cost of living and that people are feeling the pinch..
Give out about the baby bundle being a waste of money
Spending waaaaaay more than FG??? I doubt it.. How much has the childrens hospital alone, cost so far? And the corruption is rampant, are you taking those spendings into account, as 'the unaccountables' aren't. They seem to pick and choose what would be regarded as an expense.
Its like dial a soundbite here.
What corruption are we talking about exactly? Name specific cases.
It won't be FFGG, that you have my word on.
So you wont answer the question. Thought so :)
Index gives context. Try it sometime when you come up for air.
It actually measures a lot of those things you mentioned, you just cannot see the wood from the trees.
O, I had a back and forth over over irrelevant old reports, exhausting but a little amusing 😉
Bit like what happens on here when supporters of FFG stick up things like ranked 8th in this or ranked 2nd in that as a defence for has been an utter car wreck of a government.
Eamon Ryan only got in to Government after the 2007 election. By that stage, the damage was already done. You can't really blame him for the financial crisis at the time.
The Navan Hospital debacle is somewhat embarrassing, HSE announce downgrading, only to be told, Hang on by Stephen Donnelly, Jesus wept who's in charge here 🙄
Great fun on the Late Debate, FG fielded Joe O Reilly, Senator and my god what a train crash, the Panel actually spent the entire show giggling at him
Don't forget the highest nurses to bed ratio in the known universe.
Hey, Ireland is 8th in Top of the Pop's and 2 in Jackie magazine. Show some respect. G'wan with your real world problems!
Eamon Ryan and Michael Martin were ministers in the last government that overseen the single most severe financial meltdown of this states history, including a massive property, a banking meltdown, which resulted in mass emigration and suicides of many.
2022. There's a housing crisis, health is a disaster and there's a cost of living crisis.
Michael Martin and Eamon Ryan are govt ministers once again too.
Lets blame the president though. That's a marvelous idea.
Define 'Gigantic' - to me it would mean a very sizable portion, and would leave very little of the blame on anyone or anything else.
"You mean giving new hard-pressed parents some helpful and essential items that will help with a) raising a new baby and b) the cost of living?
Yea, shame on them."
Again, get some help with reading the whole post if that's what's getting you. Nobody claimed 'shame on them' etc. It's just a nonsense expense at a time when we shouldn't be spending on nonsense/it could be better spent.
I'm surprised Maryanne isn't on here telling us that her friend raised 10 kids using hand me downs that they got free from an oxfam shop, with a potato sack for a sleeping bag.
"Again, it's a reasonable point of view if you think it's a waste of money, but you cannot turn around and then say the government should spend more on housing, health, education etc...
That just makes you a massive hypocrite because you are not interested in the policy, or the detail, you just want to give out and throw some mud."
Of course I can, and no it doesn't. How would that mean I am not interested? The baby box is bullshit gesture politics. That is all it is. There is, as mentioned plenty of better ways that money should be spent.
"Also, many countries do a "Baby Bundle" If you looked at the video you will see that Scotland does one and its in the actual video."
Yeah, again with the "Other countries do it.." - and I saw that. They started in 2017. Not during times like these when everyone is feeling the pinch, and the money could be better spent elsewhere. 'Baby bundles' 🙄.
"Now, are you going to vote for a party that is going to curb this spending, because all the parties in the Dail, from Labour, SF, SD, PBP etc.... would spend waaaaaay more than FF and FG and the Greens....."
"So who are you going to vote for to cut down the deficit?"
None of them have. It's all a game to them.
It was a rant of the highest order, he hasn’t a single atom of the ordinary working person in this country.
I just don't have the energy to join in, just put away my Turf 😁 but well done, well done 👌
What is it with you that leaves you incapable of reading anything properly? Just laziness or bent on trying to justify bulsh*t?
Nobody said (three times now) who gives a fck about standard of living etc..
What was said, if you bothered to read any of the posts correctly, was that NOBODY but you and a two or three others, gives a fck about the HDO statistic. It is beyond useless, and literally does absolutely NOTHING for anybody.
I am sure Michael D. will send you an email for giving the perfect example of the type of bullsh*t he is talking about, that everyone else can see.
The President added: "Building homes is what is important.
“It is not to be a star performer for the speculative sector internationally."
Speaking to the Irish Mirror after hearing his comments, Labour’s Ms Moynihan said: “he’s right, it’s more than a crisis, it is a failure.”
You can continue to point out the bullsh*t statistic that was created for bullsh*tters. But be aware, it means absolutely fck all.
Feel free to walk amongst the homeless on the streets, and go to the homeless shelters and tell them all where we are on the HDI.. 🙄
Did he make it worse year on year like every minister we've had for the last decade or so?
What does it mean? We have housing and health crises going on many years and getting worse. What does this index mean, we aren't in crises?
Ah, there it is.
How is it not? Things will never get better unless homes are actually built.
Well done Michael D Higgins! A superb speech.
Housing issue ‘isn’t a crises anymore, it’s a disaster’, says Michael D Higgins (breakingnews.ie)
Housing issue ‘isn’t a crises anymore, it’s a disaster’, says Michael D Higgins
“I have taken to speaking ever ever more frankly in relation to housing, because I think it is our great, great, great failure.
Mr Higgins criticised the lack of homes being built in the State and the country’s appearance of a “star performer” internationally.
Mr Higgins said: We have to really think about meeting the basic needs of people in a republic, be that food, shelter and education... Building homes is what’s important. It’s not to be a star performer for the speculative sector internationally or anything else.”
The UN hdi,deosnt measure any of the day-to-day performances of the government??
It deosnt measure housing ownership levels,poverty levels,deosnt measure the refusal of governments to improve lot of travellers or aysulm seekers?
It deosnt measure the quality of our health service,which is on brink of collaspse btw,deosnt measure the rampant legalised corruption/lobbying (that bord planalta thing would collaspe a government in a normal 3rd world country,but not here?)...deosnt measure the failure of our media and its refusal to hold government to account
It deosnt measure level of children and young adult population living in poverty and not earning a living wage,and sh1t laws designed to prevent people getting secure jobs
What exactly,makes yous think this is a good barometer,given the level of crisis facing the state,and the likelyhood of social unrest over next decade as people not put up with country being run for benefit of anyone but the population??
And some still are and yet here you are defending them and their failed policies.
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