I don't think it speaks to its inclusive nature. Sometimes I feel if I say anything or pass comment on the fact that it is actually an exclusive month dedicated to a minority, I am deemed a bigot which I am not. Discuss....🤔
If Pride month helps ‘normalise’ the reality of non heterosexuality to the extent that it is not an issue any more then I think it is in everyone’s interests.
Well, it's a little bit more multi-layered than that.
I agree with you on corporate hypocrisy, for sure, but do you think Pride parade itself is unnecessary?
Pride month is a load of bollocks. So some companies change their logo to pride colours, a few people will wear pride colours blah blah.
Cause the harsh truth is that life is dog eat dog and every man for himself. So yes, pride is a load of bollocks.
I've seen a rise in the use of "proud to work for the government of Ireland" email signatures in the last 12 months.
I'm not convinced those people telling me their sexual preferences makes them do their jobs any better.
Mostly they've thought the world owed them something and didn't like being told the answer to their query when it contradicted their pre-conceptions.
Dunno what the fuss is about, I get a gang of lads, some of whom are not out to go for a few beers in town and show them that we can express ourselves freely. Its odd the other 11 months of the year I have to see straight people walking down the street holding hands. Kissing each other on the street. On TV I have to watch straight couples. I have to read about straight couples here on Boards a lot of the time. People with their girlfiriends or boyfriends and know what, it is so divisive. Why do we feel the need to proudly display our hetrosexuality? Men in Coppers in half open shirts and tight jeans, women pouring out of dresses - pushing their hetrosexuality into my face. Last week I sat down out side Jervis having a coffee and a man and a woman had the sheer audacity to kiss on front of me - why cant they like us homosexuals and the trans and lesbians and the bi just blend into society. Few weeks back I went to a hetrosexual wedding and it was so obvious most people are hetro, was disgusted with it in a way. Everywhere I go hertrosexuals are pushing it in my face so yes I am fully with ye. And the commericalisation (which gay pride unfortunately does) - I mean look at movies like Top Gun or companies selling everything from chocolate to clothes using straight couples, what is all that about.
Definitely agree with your friend, its gone totally commercialised and has lost all meaning from the roots in was started from, my husband and I stay well clear of them now as do many of my friends, as for "still a way to go" ..... I'm very happy to live in Ireland today as an openly gay man compared to 30/40 years ago, where i had to run the gauntlet of bullying i secondary school in a small town, hiding who i was in my early years of working, been beating up on nights out just because i was poofter, shirt lifter, pansy and on and on, we've come along way in this country but the carry on of the die hards in the gay community will always want to push the barrier and never be happy, that is why we see push back now, all i want to do is live my life happy and content, you only have one life enjoy it,.
having a month for dwarves isnt a bad idea actually, i only recently heard 6 out of 7 dwarves arent Happy
Ha fantastic lack of self awareness.
@Brucie Bonus "Yeah, a world were people leave pedantry aside and discuss things."
@Brucie Bonus "Ireland is intolerant in many areas. Let's agree its not settled. You're boring the arse off me."
No worries chief. If you don't want people to ask you about what you mean, try not to throw in glib and meaningless phrases in order to sound profound.
"We have a way to go" indeed.
However we might not think its needed or that its a bit much, we have to understand that its gives comfort to people who feel outside of society.
Dunno how a parade and a series of events celebrating the differences of LGBTQ towards "normal" society is going to do that. Anyway, you make it sound like the LGBTQ communities are fully welcoming and understanding of each other. They aren't. You should speak to bisexuals as to how they're perceived by G/L, or the Q by everyone, or the hyperactive and changeable T are perceived by the LGB. There's quite a bit of conflict within the whole movement, and even within a particular group, say homosexuals, there are a lot of sub-groups who see themselves as different from others.
Pride isn't going to bring any comfort for people who feel outside of society.. because they want to be outside of society. If that wasn't the case, then, they could mix quite easily with society.. it's not hard. Just stop waving your sexuality in everyone's faces, and demanding that they accept you. Stop that, and society will ignore you, just like it does everyone else.
Still a way to go
For what to happen? Complete acceptance? Not going to happen. I've been to gay communes, and even there, you'll find gay people with biases towards how other gay people live or express themselves. Thankfully, humanity does not live in a strict society of ironbound rules, and expectations of behaviour.. otherwise LGBTQ would never have reached this point of freedom/equality. Bringing in such restrictions on other people, will generate the environment we so much want to avoid.
Legally we have equality. Socially, for the most part, there are very few problems, and they're generally avoidable with a little bit of effort. And while some will demand that LGBQ shouldn't need to avoid such, the simple truth is that they will always have to. Anyone who denies that, is simply being unreasonable and likely creates more problems for LGBQ in the long run.
It's a circus show that you simply must do lest you get a good whipping.
But there is one key difference, the performers spinning uncomfortably around in giant wheels are 98% of people, with a minute 2% being the audience.
It's an inverted circus. Dance, bear, dance like your job depends on it.
Which is precisely my fear on this matter; that what is passing as pro-LGBT may, in the end, prove counterproductive and damage the gains and acceptance that has emerged over the past couple of decades.
There's an almost religious nature to the month; a sort of gay version of Easter. It would be like 60-years ago where everyone was socially compelled to adhere to Catholic orthodoxy. Anyone who didn't go along with the way things were supposed to be was cast out as some kind of amoral heretic, a silenced pariah. As I said in one of my opening posts on this thread, you cannot force an attitude on a population; it must be done by consensus and consensus alone: bringing the population with you rather than smothering the population with why they must, must, must, must comply. Consensus was achieved over the course of the 80s, 90s, 00s etc. It worked, and acceptance of LGBT people was palpable. We got what we wanted, complete and total equality.
I saw this change in perspective in Pride a couple of years ago, but the problem seems to be becoming more and more acute in the past 2-3 years.
I think as long as Pride conducts itself along the lines of division - namely, talking about the rights of sub-groups and sub-groups within those sub-groups - it will alienate the rest of the population. When people are given no choice but to go along with something, they'll end up questioning it and eventually rejecting it.
What's needed is for LGBT people to blend into the population as equals, rather than to discuss the endless differences that exist within the community.
Which is pretty much par for the course when it comes to businesses. I don't know why some people are so "shocked" at that.
Ireland is intolerant in many areas. Let's agree its not settled. You're boring the arse off me.
Nothing pedantic about it.
I wanted to know what you meant by "a long way to go".
It inferred that Ireland was intolerant.
I wanted to know how.
It was part of the discussion.
I didn't realise you were just throwing it in as a cliched soundbite and not an actual statement.
Yeah, a world were people leave pedantry aside and discuss things.
Ahh mountain out of a molehill stuff tbh. I don’t think adults want to see that sort of thing. It’s not as though they have the option NOT to share it, if they find it objectionable behaviour.
Sort of like, y’know - don’t encourage them!
It’s nothing to do with whether or not Pride is a good or a bad idea though. The criticism is the equivalent of pointing out that it’s inappropriate to expose children to anything because there’s always someone who makes a tit of themselves.
People I know who work for large multinationals in Ireland now have been talking (quietly) about the growth of Pride month in the office. Flags everywhere (outside and inside, and every floor) handing out rainbow access card lanyards to everyone, “all hands” meeting which list all the activities for pride month and encouraging everyone do go along and represent the company, multiple all-company emails doing the same.
The scale and the level of push just seems a bit odd, as there no other equivalent - Christmas (the holidays) maybe comes close.
The same companies of course do not promote this in a China or the Mid East.
In tolerant western countries, Pride has clearly become a corporate PR bonanza.
While this is clearly a huge improvement on the past where homosexual acts were illegal or being openly gay could harm your career, i sympathise with people of all backgrounds genders and sexualities who feel the new scale of corporate Pride month is becoming a minor irritation.
yes
Is it really any more silly than scouring the internet looking for stuff that you say children shouldn’t be exposed to?
Do you think adults want to see it?
Mod - Posts deleted, cards handed out. Can everyone calm down now and post a little more rationally, thanks
Could everyone, please, spare a month long thought every year, 1/12th of your entire life, about where a tiny amount of people like to stick their willie's.
It's of the utmost importance, life and death!!
Thanksinadvanceseeyounextyearandforever.
And not offend people, the hypocrisy is gas….
Looking into this aspect of the sexualisation of Pride events, and whether this is appropriate for children, I came across this 2021 column from the Washington Post.
The author of the column is a lesbian who brought her child to a Pride parade.
Yes, kink belongs at Pride. And I want my kids to see it.
When our children grew tired of marching, we plopped onto a nearby curb.
Just as we got settled, our elementary-schooler pointed in the direction of oncoming floats, raising an eyebrow at a bare-chested man in dark sunglasses whose black suspenders clipped into a leather thong.
The man paused to be spanked playfully by a partner with a flog.
“What are they doing?” my curious kid asked as our toddler cheered them on. The pair was the first of a few dozen kinksters who danced down the street, laughing together as they twirled their whips and batons, some leading companions by leashes.
I'm just not persuaded by this, and very uncomfortable that the child - who was clearly in some state of confusion - is being forced to think about the sexualisation of some aspects of the LGBT community.
It's just business. If they openly state that they won't compromise on these values to suit particular audiences, I'll be impressed. Otherwise, this stuff will just be sold to Western audiences as is and snipped and censored where necessary to get into the Eastern and African markets.
I don't particularly like swapping the genders of established characters. It adds nothing though can sometimes yield positive results. In the comic series, The Boys Stormfront is a man raised by the Nazis. In the Amazon Prime series, she's very well played by Aya Cash.
When I see stuff like Cinderella with the ending you describe, I just cringe a bit. I'd be much keener to see something original developed specifically to tell a story about someone from the LGBT community using characters created originally. Easier to alter an already-existing work I suppose.
I'm appalled to hear that you think semi-naked, sexually provocative acts during Pride are acceptable for young children.
Nobody’s saying that though. That’s your own inference. I don’t think you imagine for a minute that people can’t see what you’re at, or rather what anyone is at who proclaims “look what they’re doing, they’re exposing children to that! You should be outraged as I am!”. You’re not outraged though, you’re just being silly.
Which is odd since
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/03/30/disney-entertainment-president-with-transgender-pansexual-children-wants-half-of-future-characters-to-be-lgbtqia-or-racial-minorities-1218906/
It's all gotten a bit mental, Andrew Lloyd Webbers version of Cinderella where the Prince runs off with another man shut early, wasn't the audience for it. An all female cast for a Jane Austen play where she tells Mr Darcy to **** off closed early too. So original, yet so many people just aren't highbrow enough to appreciate it, apparently.
Well in that case, "there is a way to go" seems a little hyperbolic.
Unless you imagine there is any aspect of life which is 100% universally accepted.
Pretty much this:
There will always be idiots who do not accept others lifestyles
Absolutely.
It's insulting.
The cardinal example is Disney all but removing John Boyega from their Star Wars marketing material for distribution in China. That's basically it in a nutshell.
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