They don't owe you anything then in fairness..Great prices..
I think this case was mentioned here before, milk not being collected due to hedge being over grown
Dumped into a slurry tank which I doubt can be spread now either
Served all bar maybe 10 or so to fr including a few repeats. Beef straws haven't arrived yet and used up what I've left but seems to be a share of repeats. Will use beef then from whenever they land. Just over 5 weeks in I guess now. Will see how they go. Tight for grass rain should kick things on but they're not happy about cleaning out hairy paddocks either. Left a bit of silage today they didn't touch much after, made 3 weeks ago
See that crowd in new Zealand. Halter hq with wireless fences and paddock drafting. Seems too good to be true....
JFC ..... Just Fit Concrete
Does it stop the neighbours horses and cattle break in?
No. It's a no fence technology that I think is exciting. I just heard on country file that it's being used very effectively grazing Irish uplands. Change the fence on your phone.
Looks like plant based beverage are on the decline. http://www.thebullvine.com/news/dairy-defined-shrinking-plant-based-beverage-sales-hmmm/#
Are any one having trouble with cows s**ting in the parlour, I done with endospec this evening, hopefully it will help
I presume you mean Endospec! But yes was a big problem for me last week but I think it was because I upped meal and they were getting too much calmag. Have settled down now again.
Does a Dairy farmer really earn nearly 100,000 a year like was said in RTE?
I would not have thought a farmer would earn so much.
That's the average for last year. The mean would be much lower if the exceptionally large herds were removed from the figures. I have a small herd of cows and was nowhere near that level of income I can assure you.
Do those figures include wages and land cost being removed?
No wages. No land cost. No machinery cost. No capital expenditure. No land rental. No sense.
No idea. It just said the average Dairy farmer earned €97,000 last year.
Awe very good. Good to hear. I never earned anywhere near that in my life either. It would be great do.
That news article was a disaster. Wife was on to me straight away about it.
Why is it hard to believe?
Take 100k....pay tax on it, then repayments...how much is left.
Land rents, depreciation surely included.
In a way it's like saying the average industrial wage doesn't include wages, cost of car etc
What is included/ not included in that survey?
Surely 200,000 this year in milk when the figures come out next year...
(Un audited self filled in from farmers not including most of what they spend money on that should be deducted)
That’s the exact sort of shite that makes my blood boil re tegasc and tgere farm surveys ….to answer your question it’s far from a true reflection of actual farm profits and it’s insulting that figures like that go to print ….no account of own labour …tax ….repayements ..land charge etc …
If you were to compare across to different industries it should be with other small businesses/ sole traders not those on a wage
It's not something that bothers me too much. Only 3 people know what I'm earning, myself, taxman and accountant. No plans to change that...
Obviously a large part of farm income is derived from owning an asset not necessarily from working it. But repayments and their tax implications aside, it's not necessarily wrong the way the rest of it is portrayed.
To be fair,a dairy farmer does not have the use of the repayments on their farm borrowings and wouldn't have the operation they have without them
Counting them as profit is a bit like saying 'a drowning man can live because there's oxygen in the water'
"Obviously a large part of farm income is derived from owning an asset not necessarily from working it"
Wouldn't agree with you there.
Flip the question the other way - what's the average salary in Teagasc? And does that tell the general public anything useful about Teagasc? Some are on 30k and some of the head boys are on north of 100k. So what does the average tell you? Nothing.
So, why publish the "average dairy farmer" wage/income/salary/whatever?
If I was being skeptical, I'd suggest it was to show Teagasc and the dairy industry in a good light, but without stating what they're pocketing themselves.
To get ourselves up and running would hazard a guess that well over 90% of people on here owe what they have now to a mix of inheritance, free labour (either themselves or family), working excessive hours for little or no drawings (maybe reliant on off farm income from spouse/parents or living at home rent free) in order to accumulate enough assets to make farming viable.
If it's not possible to start from scratch, buy everything while pulling€20/hour out of the farm (to be spent on living, not going back into the farm) then what I said is true. The fact that so few acknowledge it is what makes it even more true because it means that more money is paid for land and other inputs than would otherwise be the case.
Farming is and should not be treated any different to other jobs ….you work you get paid …..that’s the first bill that needs paying every month if you don’t you need to ask why …..too many see it as a badge of honour to be working 7 days a week 10/12 hours a day and take little to nothing for it
I find it very labour intensive to get money out of a farm. You said that the majority of income comes from simply owning an asset.
This news headline is just used to create conversation and shock. I heard John gibbons using it against us yesterday. He was saying beef/suckler farmers are grand. Making no money and just harvesting subsidies so that's fine but dairy farmers are hugely profitable. It's all BS.
I agree with you about the free labour, excessive hours, inheritance, off farm labour. In my experience if you are labelled as wealthy/highly profitable it places a huge target on you.
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