I don't think it speaks to its inclusive nature. Sometimes I feel if I say anything or pass comment on the fact that it is actually an exclusive month dedicated to a minority, I am deemed a bigot which I am not. Discuss....🤔
I wholeheartedly agree.
This was what I was referring to earlier when I was talking about corporations being cynical. Full steam ahead for equality unless it offends clients.
That’s exactly it for me. The amount of companies who change their corporate logo so they appear inclusive, yet given power of multinationals won’t do the same in the very territories where support of gay/lesbian etc people is needed most. Large multinational Corporations have way too much power in modern society and they stick some colours into the logo and we are supposed to overlook the harm some of them do to society and/or the environment
As for the pride festival itself I was at it once in San Francisco years ago. It was great fun but I definitely wouldn’t bring my kids to a pride parade now and that is 100% because of the nudity. I am straight though so I accept that I have no place in the discussion on what a pride parade should look like so pass no judgment on the nudity when it’s aimed at an adult audience.
Still a way to go?
How much further? And what needs to be done?
Genuine question. On this issue of sexuality, I think Ireland is very accepting and have laws in place for equality.
There will always be idiots who do not accept others lifestyles but when you say there is still a way to go, what do you mean?
It's very strange behaviour alright, and speaks volumes
God forbid hurting your profit margin.
The biggest issue I have with all these companies flying the pride flag here and the west...the same companies wouldn't dare do it in the middle East or China I'd imagine...so you neither fully support the LGBTQABC+ fully or your just virtue signalling
I’ll bet you’d a clear view 😂
I couldn’t care less eskimo tbh, that’s my opinion on it. Children are exposed to all sorts on a daily basis, and it’s up to the adults in their lives to contextualise it for them in a manner which they feel is appropriate for their children.
A gay friend of mine calls it 'straight gay pride' as he feels its being taken over.
I think its important. However we might not think its needed or that its a bit much, we have to understand that its gives comfort to people who feel outside of society. It was only a few years back same sex couples got the same rights as everyone else. Still a way to go.
None of my close friends or family members are gay(unless they’re in the closet) and I’m straight. Personally I couldn’t give a ****. It seems to really irk the crowd who talk about everyone being easily offended these days. The irony.
I also find the please think of the children comments hilarious. Most of them will take their young children every week to listen to a man in a frock(drag queen) talk about an eternity burning in hell unless you live in a certain way, stories of being nailed alive to cross then a ritual is performed and you engage in cannibalism by eating his flesh and drinking his blood but yeah a bit of male skin on show is just horror in comparison LOL.
Only in countries where it’ll make them money.
Based on the video in his post, do you think young children - of any age, whether 2 or 5 or 8 - should be exposed to that kind of sexualised, provocative, semi-naked display during the Pride parade?
My view is clear: I don't approve of it. But your position, up until now at least, seems rather more opaque.
Whataboutery does not an answer make.
Cis co?😂
It’s 14 days into pride month so … I wouldn’t have known it was that until I saw this thread…. No events in our local pubs, or restaurants, no flags, no social media hoopla…on anything I’m following at least.
there is a gay couple around the corner who have an LGBT flag in their porch, but I think I’ve seen it there too before though .. so might or might not be for the festival or whatever it’s referred to as.
i don’t see it as a ‘month dedicated’ to a minority… How can you ‘dedicate’ a big space of time in the ether to any one group of people ?
I can say that Tuesday 14th of October is now dedicated to dwarfs… ? Actually maybe I can’t, 25th of October is national dwarf day.. actually, October is national dwarfism awareness month… I must put that in the diary.
we’ll be running out of months 🥵
Hmmm torn over this issue.
Have many gay friends and colleagues. Our town has a Pride month event here in the States. Seems to be the most campy, pushy, loud mouthed individuals pushing the agenda. I don’t fly flags of any sort in our offices or outside. Yet, I want my colleagues to know that they are valued and part of “us”. So I let them make the decision. Fly flags or not, support the events or not.
i was kinda shocked that they didn’t want to fly the flags and said no to sponsorships of events.
looking at the events, drag shows, drag picnics, drag karaoke, family drag day, it was plain to see why.
do ALL events have to be drag related. My colleagues are more heterosexual looking than I am…and that’s saying something 😀
They didn’t like the fact they were basically being strong armed into sponsorship, they didn’t think the events showed “gayness” (their words) in a positive light.
i ca understand their decision. Do I need a month to appreciate how important my colleagues are to us? Nope!
It’s true though. Some people just have some very odd ideas that people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender exist in some parallel universe, that they aren’t employed in corporate entities like ohh, I don’t know… Netflix, Sky, Mercedes… 😂
And it’s because of their own efforts within their workplaces and employers, that increased visibility and corporate sponsorship and involvement in Pride comes about. It’s no different than corporate involvement in anything else, like sports - there’s football on tv all year round. That doesn’t mean it’s being shoved in anyone’s face any more than the idea that Pride is being shoved in anyone’s face. Everyone has an equal ability to avoid it if they want, same as I don’t care much for football or anything else I have no interest in.
I was giving you the courtesy of overlooking your stupid identity politics nonsense for the sake of the discussion.
Whilst we may disagree on some things on this thread, this is where we share a conspicuous note of agreement.
It’s not more lies. It was clear the first time I was talking about different people having different reasons for why they objected to corporate sponsorship and involvement, different reasons from your ideas about their employers accounting practices.
You’re accusing me of lying based upon your own misrepresentation of my opinion. You should have left it at the point where you said -
As a heterosexual, cisgendered white male I don't want to be opining about how the LGBT community or individuals should feel about things.
We are here to listen to you too. Please share why do you think that the Pride Month is exclusive to a minority? Obviously, it is more interesting to a minority, but if you want to get involved, you are not barred from it, right? As long as you do not derail other people's efforts, you are welcome to contribute to or to profit from the Pride Month.
You’re not any more likely to purchase a Mercedes because you’ve seen them adorn their logo with Pride colours, but Mercedes are appealing to the market of people who WOULD. Maybe you’ve heard of ‘the pink pound’?
In 2019, LGBT adults globally held a combined buying power of approximately $3.7 trillion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_money
It’s not something I’d base my decisions on, but it wouldn’t put me off buying a Mercedes, that’d be cutting my nose off to spite my face, they’re still top engineering.
More lies. Let's just leave it there. There's no point in continuing.
I didn’t present any false dichotomy. You gave your reasons for your criticism of corporate sponsorship and involvement.
I said I’m sure there are many people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender who share your opinions, and I gave their reasons, which are not the same as the reasons you gave about tax avoidance and how in your opinion it could be put to better use.
It’s not a false dichotomy, it’s a false dilemma you’re presenting, as though corporates and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender are entirely separate entities. They’re clearly not, and haven’t been for some time.
Am I more likely to purchase a Mercedes because I've seen them adorn their logo with Pride colours?
Nope. Are you? It wouldn't even factor in my decision.
Are they virtue signallers that have no actual moral interest in LGBT rights?
Yes.
You presented a false dichotomy of either accepting corporate sponsorship and advertising or supporting gay people being stigmatised and then said I supported the latter. This is a lie unless you can back it up with an explicit quote where I said this.
It’s not hypocrisy, it’s knowing their market. Simple stuff. There’s nothing preventing you from going to those countries and campaigning for the people with whom you share an affinity, but that would mean you’d have to put up with people proclaiming that they don’t want to know, keep it to yourself, you don’t represent them, you’re going to turn people against them, etc, etc.
And you wouldn’t want to be a hypocrite of course 😏
What’s a lie? I said there are plenty of people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender who share your opinions of corporate sponsorship and involvement, and there are.
The reasons THEY do, and the reasons I have been given, are not the same as the reasons you give, because many of them are employed by the same corporates from which they request sponsorship and want them to get involved in promoting the political movement.
Corporates aren’t going to turn down that kind of advertising if it presents an opportunity for them to increase their brand awareness at the same time.
I've been to 11 Pride parades/events over the years, mostly on continental Europe rather than Ireland/UK. They're all engaging, although it's easy enough to see how the focus has shifted away from promoting homosexuality, and having fun/freedom, to being far more political in nature.
Honestly, they were a lot of fun when I was in my 20s/early 30s.. but the in-your-face aspect of LGBTQ gets tiresome after a while. I got tired of the hyper aggressive attitudes, and while people seem to think that the LGBTQ community is all wonderful smiling people, there's always been a dark undercurrent to the community too, which comes out in some of the events and speeches.
I've stopped going to the events. I don't think they're really representative of LGBTQ as it relates to normal people, and is more a place for the aggressive LGBTQ members or the "advocates/activists" of the various causes.
Still.. I'd highly recommend going to some abroad. It's an experience worth having.
I totally agree with you, especially about equality supposedly leading to the differences disappearing. That doesn't seem to be the case with things anymore though, not just Pride. The emphasis seems to be on highlighting the differences, as long as people keep making an issue of the differences then there won't be equality. I don't really care about other people's sexual orientation, as long as it doesn't involve animals or kids I say live and let live when it comes to other consenting people's sexuality.
In all honesty, I'd rather not have NGO's pushing stuff here, I don't care what colour a person's skin is, I don't care what their sexual orientation is, I don't care what their religion is. I'm just not interested. If people just get on with their lives and stop expecting us to highlight them being some how more special or worthy of celebrating and then complaining about being treated differently then maybe they would be treated the same. I think most people just ignore it all anyway. If people have the body to get away with assless chaps then have at it.😉
No.
Corporate sponsorship and all that is too easy if you're targeting Western countries.
But they daren't do it where it matters - in the Middle East, for example, where their corporate logos are not festooned with rainbow flags.
The hypocrisy stinks.
This does nothing to advance LGBT rights; absolutely nothing.
"I have no doubt there are plenty of people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender who would share your opinions of corporate involvement and sponsorship too, they want to go back to a time when being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender was greatly stigmatised because they got off on the idea that it was socially verboten, their communities were smaller and much more of a closed shop and they were suspicious of outsiders."
This is a barefaced lie. I never said this.
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