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I have a reports from both the UN and OECD in my corner, you have an axe to grind in yours with a gut feeling and the need to be a misery junkie about everything da guberment does in yours. I wouldn't want to swap tbh :)
You can produce any amount of reports you want, just be clearer on the dates but more importantly accept the reality that is the housing crisis in Ireland, no amount of reports can change or alter the facts on the ground.
no amount of reports can change or alter the facts on the ground.
LOL, you aren't good at this are you?
Reports from the UN and OECD generally deal with FACT.
You deal with gut feelings, hunches and beliefs..
Facts from 2020 are not facts from 2022, I think it's you that's not good at this.
That'll look good on an election poster
The developers have far too much power here and need to be reigned in. Linking them and the banks together again is a proven recipe for disaster, the only difference this time with them, is that they have learned how to be more devious and keep things ticking along longer for themselves.
It has been looking like rezoned lands are being hoarded for a while now, while small pockets in more lucrative suburbs are being used for profits under the guise of 'needing' them. Another report on it yesterday in the independent. Stop granting the PP in those small pockets and force the larger already zoned lands to be used, and larger scale housing estates or probably apartment blocks 🙄 may actually get built.
And what are the facts 2022? Show me the OECD reports from 2022... ;)
Has a report been released in 2022, please do share and enlighten us all
Not to my knowledge, the latest one is 2020... ;_)
So nothing recent, say covering the shambles of thr past 2 years
I'm reminded of...
It's been fun but got to go 😉
Doh I know who Jefferson Davis Hogg is. I just wondered which Irish politician is like him.
Imagine if Ryanair only released passenger data and figures from January 2020, would you claim that air travel is doing very well and that Ryanair is doing very well. I know I wouldn't especially after what has happened over the past 2 years.
You can't say that 😂😂😂
I just did to make a point of how you are right about the figures from 2020.
I know, just kidding, it's an expression we use on the live line thread when Joe corrects someone who doesn't agree with him 😉
But of course I do agree with your point, someone else won't 😉
I know someone else won't as it plainly and succinctly shows how wrong they are.
Touché 😉
I love it when a plan comes together.
I will give you a stat caused by decades of FFG mismanagement which will strangle us during the recession.
I present FFG's magic money tree...
Public debt per capita 'one of the world's highest' (rte.ie)
Ireland's national debt 'one of the highest in the world' on a per capita basis
The State took on an additional €33 billion in debt over the two years of the pandemic, according to a new report from the Department of Finance.
The national debt stood at €237 billion at the end of last year.
This equates to €47,233 for every person in the country and is described in the report as 'one of the highest in the world.'
Calling out issues. On the other hand 'nothing to see here' is head in the sand or running defense. Worst homeless crisis in 40 years. Ukrainians invited here and sleeping on floors. I would assume the hotels are getting paid per person. Hungry bastards, probably 'our own'. Sure go on there and toddle along to the red cow and tell them "8th out of 38".
Seeing as I am the only person posting international data in regards to Irelands housing...
We are actually not too bad in terms of what happened in the past 2 years, the CB income ratio definitely helping here. Makes a change to the 'everything is crap and the da guberments fault' narrative..
More the vibe of cronyism than any specific lad.
I am neither saying that everything is fine or grand, but there is a war on in Europe the likes we have not seen in 80 years.... it may, just may be a factor here. Unless you think that is the government's fault as well...
Ok, so you want the government to spend less and pay down debt.
That is a perfectly reasonable point of view...
HOWEVER, you cannot turn around then and ask the government to spend more on health, housing, refugees, etc... that just makes you a huge hypocrite..
Some cheek using a war going months to excuse literally a decade of **** housing policy. No group can't be used to save government blushes. Stay classy.
So what stopped the current and previous governments over the past 10 years before the war in Ukraine? If you say Covid, I will counter with what stopped them before Covid?
I bet Brexit will be thrown in there.
we spend more than enough on many services (e.g. Health) to have first class services. However....... we don't have first class services.
There are areas we could (should IMO) spend less but the absolute lack of value for money we get for our expenditure (and obscene levels of personal taxes) is one of the (many) reasons I won't vote for any party that's been in power for the past 25 years.
Our ridiculous levels of expenditure and debt will come back to haunt us - issue is there is no fiscally responsible party in existence to vote for
And before anyone says the usual "but but Sinn Fein" - I'm not arguing in favour of SF. I'm simply frustrated that no party exists to represent the net contributing tax payer (though there's very few in that cohort as we take so many people out of the tax net etc etc)
Here is more 'international data', from during the middle of lockdown
Ireland has the highest housing costs in the European Union.
And people here are now among the least likely in Europe to own their own homes.
...
The surging cost of housing and the difficulty this has led to for young people to own their own home helps explain the collapse in support for mainstream political parties.
The statistical office of the European Union, Eurostat, found that just shy of 69pc of the population of this country own their own home.
This means we have more people renting and fewer owning their own homes than the EU average.
Some 70pc of the population across the 27 members of the EU own their own homes.
....
House prices here were 77pc above the EU average last year, according to Eurostat.
This is due to Ireland experiencing the largest rise in prices seen in the EU between 2009 and 2019.
Rents also shot up by 63pc over the same period.
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