Away up the yard with that nonsense, Blanch. Find a single thing in any of my posts justifying violence at any point?
I'm calling out your, 'ah sure they already had equal rights when the violence broke out' nonsense as stomach churningly offensive to anyone who lived there.
It is even more offensive to those like John Hume, who continued a non-violent struggle for equal rights long after you claim things were all rosy except for the big bad Provos.
Your continued attempt to try and spin to create some sort of self-perceived moral highground is transparent enough that I'm sure even the usual self-congratulatory circle won't touch this one for you.
You'd be better served admitting that you made a complete balls of whatever argument you were trying to make with your nonsensical original timeline and starting over again than trying to polish that turd into any sort of meaningful point.
i absolutely agree, the re-writing of history is sickening, so why are you doing it?
not a single bit of change had taken place before 1972, nor after it, the sectarian **** hole was still implemented all be it from london rather then stormont.
your orange view of history is disgusting and will be challenged and shown for what it is, a re-writing of history to suit a failed orange outlook.
it's over blanche, a UI is coming, the failed state of NI is going and it will be 1 island, 1 ireland, 1 country where all are free to live as whatever.
My own view is that the outbreak of violence delayed change as it increased resistance to change. Self-defeating violence in other words. The people of Northern Ireland were very badly served by the actions of the PIRA.
That is 100% a contradiction of your initial point that the change happened BEFORE violence broke out.
If you'd led with this point instead, while I might point out that it is a simplification, you'd have a lot more credibility but you couldn't resist overegging the anti-SF pudding.
Bit of an anomaly in irish history there,the civil rights movement was met with violence and a state crackdown on it??
The first bombing,shootings and killings of civilians and police during the troubles all lie at the feet of unionist paramilitaries.....but nationlists get the blame for outbreak of violence,wtf
Rise of Alliance makes it hard to gauge exactly what is going on re the relative size of the two blocs
your view is factually wrong, all available evidence destroys it.
This is something that is often not talked about often enough. That the campaign of violence by the PIRA prolonged the sectarian nature of NI for decades to come.
If the likes of John Hume were just able to get on with their agenda of civil rights, without having to answer for Republican murders, I think we would be much further along normalising NI society and politics. Instead, we have two very entrenched sides.
Nonesense.
The first bombings carried out by the PIRA was in 1970, with a massive increase in 1971.
it was loyalists who engaged in the first killings which was 1 of many things that lead to the IRA campaign.
the IRA campaign hastened the ending of the sectarian state, john hume was never going to achieve anything more then the little he did because britain were not interested in dealing with the northern irish issue.
they just wanted to leave it run as it was and forget about it bar when they needed it to helpbail them out on a vote or so.
violence was the only option, all of the evidence shows this, as does the history of the break up of the british empire and all attempted independence or change movements within the former empire.
Well, I for one am shocked that you'd agree with Blanch's bullplop assessment. Again.
Except of course,your utterly lying,as per usual
Even ignoring the spate of sectarian murders the uvf carried out for its 50th anniversairy celebrations alongside petrol bombing of holy cross primary school in north belfast in 1966,
Paisley,the posterchild loyalist for irish liberials,led a angry mob in 1964 to force the RUC to seize (smash in window and take) the tricouler from constituency offices of a recently elected nationlist politian "to keep the peace",.....yet you guys still parrot british right wing propaganda and still place blame for outbreak of violence at nationlist
(Very good documentry interviewing the RUC officers imvolved in the pasiley incident,where they admitted things were never same between nationlists and police and tensions simmered afterwards for years)
Would you not have a wee Google before posting this?
About five seconds would've showed you that this wasn't the first bomb of The Troubles.
The post you're responding to is entirely correct. The first bombing, shooting and murder of civilian all happened before the Provos existed, Mark.
Jesus Christ, I thought when Blanch's anachronistic take on things was thoroughly dismantled that the back-pat brigade would hold off wading in on this one.
SEFF on Twitter: "Remembering 6 innocents murdered by PIRA in The Coleraine Bomb – 12/6/73. The bomb was placed outside a wine store in a stolen car on the Railway Rd & exploded at 15:00 killing 4 women & 2 men and seriously injuring 3 others. A woman & 2 men were charged with the murders. It.. https://t.co/fkEweWtwav" / Twitter
hw did the sectarian murders of 6 OAPs by sf/ira help hasten the end of the sectarian state ?
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sinn-fein-reaches-another-record-high-in-the-polls-1318636.html
So much for the backlash against Mary Lou over her case against RTe
Themums started it.
Is that what you are reduced to in justifying the unjustifiable.
Like seven year olds in a playground, the other side is always to blame.
As I keep saying, a plague on both sides of the exclusionary nationalist sectarian divide. Mirror opposites meaning you are exactly the same.
The PIRA campaign delayed peace.
there is no exclusionary nationalist anything in ireland, you have been told this again and again yet keep lieing.
ultimately it was the loyalists who started the issues by engaging in attempted ethnic cleansing and by implementing sectarian rule.
Yes, there are two types of exclusionary nationalists on this island. Both are sectarian mirror images of each other.
No they're not.
As a DUP supporter though, I am surprised you are tarring them with the same delusional brush as Nationalists and Republicans.
I am not a DUP supporter, the only thing that they have going for them is that they are not looking for my vote, just puts them one step above SF.
Just dropped back in for a look and I see this complete and utter drivel - the first paragraph (I haven't a clue how to delete the rest). How could anyone with even the remotest knowledge of or interest in the Civil Rights Movement and the start of violence in the North come out with such rubbish, it just beggars belief. I'd have my head under the duvet for a month. I'm probably not allowed to post this because of some obscure bye-law
Has Sinn Féin commented at all on how it's beloved Cuba behaves ?
Is this their model for Ireland when they get into power ?
That's some serious stretching there. Fair play.
Like Putin's Russia, SF support for Cuba will melt away once the rock is lifted to show what's underneath.
I truly worry about your state of mind after the next GE. I truly do.
Sorry, we all know the troubles in the North kicked off because the IRA split and the Provo's went on a mad murdering and bombing campaign to kick the brits out, something they failed to do.
Its not as you well know
SF were Russias best friend in Ireland until recently and remain Cubas best friend in Ireland and probably China's
I don't like that
Cuba is a totalitarian military dictatorship that allows no opposition to its government
Why is SF its best friend in Ireland? Why does it support it and other Marxist police states ?
In government I'd expect the same to happen even among core supporters once they discover none of the promises an opposition makes are kept
Some might need therapy because SF are populist promises on steroids
Why?
I expect a FF/SF coalition after the next election. Anything else would be an improvement.
"WE" all know?
Eh, want to try that again their bucko. Your capacity to double down when incorrect is truly breathtaking.
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