I have recently discovered this twitter page (https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok) and it has been very eye-opening to the amazing hypocrisy and immorality of the wokists.
For Example, a recent story about drag shows for children:
How does one even begin to defend this?
I doubt Panti Bliss would be happy with that comparison. I don't think most drag artists or trans people would be happy being seen as sexualising children.
Depends on what you mean by "Trans Agenda". I've very suspicious of these "agendas" and whether or not they really exist.
I think it's more a case of trans acceptance and tolerance than anything else, but I'd hardly call that an "agenda". That said there's a big difference between trans and drag. I know more than a few perfectly straight drag queens.
Ah yes, all those imaginary left drag strip shows that are happening for children.
Never mind the actual abuse of children that carried out by the right wing Christian folk here.
Or all those right wing religious loons that get caught in the USA.
Ok now THAT really IS bullshit of the hghest level - where in the **** did I even comment on "a semi naked man expsing his penis to a young child"...??
I specifcially said in the post you replied to "I will happily condemn ANY entertainment event of a sexual nature being shown to children" and you repsond with THIS???
**** off and keep you insidious ignorant litle lies to yourself. Shows the level of poster you really are.
Likely true, but then on the other end of the scale you've this:
The problem that I see, is a reluctance to simply come out and say that these things are wrong and will not be tolerated. I think that this happens mainly because they view all these things as an attack on their community, when in reality it's an attack on the worst of their community, a side that they should be going out of their way to dissociate with. Yet you're more likely to see defense than disgust, which certainly doesn't help with PR.
Panti Bliss wasn't attending the events discussed since the first page of this thread. So don't bring Panti Bliss into it as a distraction.
”My ethics are better than your ethics” 🥱 Humankind will never learn, history will always repeat itself.
Educating/promoting Trans beliefs to children. It's not complicated. I'd feel the same about educating/promoting homosexuality to children. It's equally inappropriate, regardless of the medium used. That can wait until they're teens. Oh, and the agenda exists, as evidenced by the interest to bring this into schools and education.
The whole area of Trans and the consequences of being such, is still too "new". It's still evolving, and there's far too little research on the long-term consequences of exposing children/teens to it (never mind, a lack of research on the implications for adults). The various "parts" of the trans movement aren't separated and examined, they're defended together as a group. I'd prefer that we not rush into exposing children to these ideas/concepts/beliefs until we know that it's safe to do so.
Lastly, I'm perfectly aware that there are heterosexual drag queens, and in fact, they probably represent the vast majority of cross-dressers and queens. This is what happened with the Alphabet police. It's taken sexual orientation and grouped them with beliefs about identity, as if they're the same thing. There's some crossover but LGB is far different from the other groups contained within the overall alphabet category.
“Their community”
Find me any sane person that thinks this is acceptable.
Also, stop linking this garbage to the gay community.
I asked you very clealry where I posted "comparing Panti Bliss drawing a giraffe in a park to a semi-naked man exposing his penis to a young child" and you can't do this because you know it's bullshit and you are nohting more than a liar.
Prove me wrong, or admit to lying. Has to be one or the other.
What events are these?
You've just changed the word "agenda" to "belief" without actually explainging anything specific.
Anyway, I've highlighted my belief.
it’s notable when people don’t condemn these specific events versus Panti’s benign theatrical storytime role.
What specific events do you want people to condemn?
What specific event are we talking about here?
I'm point blank refusing.
Being exposed to drag is fine. Not any nudity or sexualised act. The thread is about drag.
All the best.
You asked what agenda referred to.. which is why I changed the word, and explained the rest.. which you've just dismissed.
Lovely. Thanks for that. Says a lot.
It's quite frankly wrong that Panti Bliss is being dragged into this debate as if she's somehow relevant. Bliss wasn't attending these child drag events. So the constant reference to Bliss is just bizarre. No relevance whatsoever.
Nobody is saying all drag queens are bad, or that they are all engaged in these kind of sexualised child drag events. In fact, I'll be attending a drag event tonight in The George myself.
What we are saying is that we don't believe these kinds of sexualised event are appropriate for children, and that's putting it mildly.
And to ask "What events are these?" is just silly. You were one of the first to respond in favour of these events at the inception of the thread, deliberately mischaracterising what happened as "pantomime" (see below, Post 18).
You also refuse to condemn what happened.
I'm actually not going to engage further with you at this point, as you are being deliberately obtuse and are attempting to obfuscate at every opportunity, as well as arguing in bad faith.
I don't think that most trans people would condone it. In a lot of cases trans people might not speak out against it in case they get a backlash from more militant types but I really don't think that trans people would be anymore OK with this kind of thing being pushed on kids, especially little kids. Most trans people just want to live peaceful lives and be accepted. I've no problem with that. The issue I have is when the NGO's and nefarious organisations behind all this have gotten so powerful they now have both the NHS and HSE buying into it inviting men for cervical checks and teaching midwives that men can have babies. Removing the word mother in case it offends, replacing the e in woman with an x to be more inclusive. Why would any sane man who believes that he is a woman want to remove female descriptions? I don't really think that they do, maybe I'm wrong.
No, you didn't - your first second paragraph merely stated that the the whole idea of trans was new and largely untested (which I tend to agree with).
Your third paragrpah is about heterosexual drag queens and "the alphabet police" and I have no idea who or what that is.
You said an agenda and beliefs. If you want to explain, give me bulletpoints. Belief 1, 2, 3, and so on. But I'm kind of in agreement with you that it's a big vague, hence my suspicion.
So you’re not actually aware of any such events then. Good to have cleared that up.
Nailed it.
You going to admit your claim of accusation on me or let the label of "LIAR" hang?
Actually, I'm not going to engage with you further either.
Even worse obfuscation, distraction, trying to derail the thread by introducing 'trans-' issues, and so on. Arguing in bad faith. Deliberate misrepresentations and distortions.
Almost no condemnation of the sexualised events, but every ounce of condemnation for the people arguing against what has happened.
Feigning ignorance does nobody any justice. I think a picture of a man exposing his genitals to a child might have appeared here and your attention drawn to it by other posters. It’s that which is harmful and criminal, just that. I have known victims of child abuse (perpetrated by men and by women),one deceased because of it.
Well yeah, your a liar who tired to spread lies about me and got caught.
Be more careful next time - don't tell lies.
You're not going to come out of this looking wholesoome and moral when you tell lies about people and get caught and called a liar.
No one's mentioned this to me at all - you all just pretend you have for some reason. It was like trying to get blood from a stone, but at least you didn't tell balant lies like @eskimohunt
But thank you for the clairfication, and yes, I wholeheartedly would comdemn this event based on your discrption.
A panto dame is a man dressed as a woman for comedic effect within a play which is aimed at children.
What is the purpose of a drag show aimed at children?
When you immediately posted after the OP trying to make comparisons to panto.
There was really only one acceptable response to such degeneracy and yours was the opposite.
Maybe this whole thing is just some elaborate sting operation to embolden these degenerates so they come out into the open 😂
But seriously, they should be on a register.
This thread is a good place to give everyone a reminder; when someone shows you what they are, believe them.
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