Actually NI is the only part of the UK to see gdp growth in the most recent quarter thanks to cross border trade,an all island economy enhanced via the protocol vs GB trade
The DUP don't like this
A United Ireland is more threatened by Loyalist misinformation and sectarianism
From an economic perspective its win win
The GB would conclude a settlement in the 10s of billions pa matched by the EU to fund the transition
The argument Dublin can't afford it,is a nonsense unionist argument
Monetary considerations aside, the cultural clashes between unionists in a 32 county republic would cripple the state.
Explain how that would happen?
Island wide terrorism
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That is complete nonsense.
https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//opinion/columnists/2022/06/01/news/brian-feeney-new-study-shows-financial-benefits-of-a-united-ireland-2727964/content.html
Its over simplified rather than complete nonsense
The biggest thorn in a UI's side is Loyalist violence
Mainly lower paid Loyalist Ironically
not really as they wouldn't be able to do much now.
no support from the british government or army, no effective weaponry, no support from the majority of their own community, and they would not achieve an undoing of a UI.
so even if a few did manage to engage in terrorism they would ultimately fail and the gardai and army would be capable of managing the issue.
Thats naivety
Theres a job of work, a major job to do to ease violent Loyalist opposition to a UI
Its not the fairy tale you think it would be
That’s a nettle that will have to be grasped at some time
Loyalism does not have a veto, and the brits will cut and run as soon as they get a chance
Loyalism itself is a fringe of unionism, lacking leadership and an avenue to escape poverty
With or without support of and intel from the British state?
So in the event of a border poll being successful and as such a democratic decision has been taken by the people of this island to reunify, we should bow down to the threat of loyalist violence?
Where have I heard this before?
Demographics are simply making their oppositions to a utd ireland,somewhat irrelevant tbh
Id be much more concerned of a nationlist uprising,if (wrongly imo),as assumed by liberials,that a border poll was unsuccesful in free state
The same places we were hearing that there would be a majority by 2020 a few decades ago
It seems to be always over the hill
Sorcha Clarke on Prime Time not answering questions, as per usual.
Wants to have a better Defence Forces, but refuses to say how much we should spend, even when asked about 5 times about it.
Census results should be out by the end of the month
another traumatic event for the NO,NAY,NEVER mob
a yes vote in NI but a no vote in the ROI is what will cause any trouble if there is going to be any.
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the vote on a UI.
They all forget that it took over 30 years to make a similar-sized minority of the nationalist community see sense and stop violence.
Its a transition but a painfully slow one from a nationalist perspective
Something is lagging
Otherwise there'd be a nationalist majority in Stormont
There isn't
SF's number there is the same as the last election
The unionists are splintered making SF the largest party but they're still unionists
A lot of them fairly rigid narky ones going on the mcelreavy song
Theres no progress in bridging that
None
And you think a United Ireland could even in a worst case scenario be set up with the level of systemic discrimination that led to that violence to make that comparison in any way valid, Blanch?
The violence didn't arise from the discrimination, that is a false narrative. By the time the violence started, the Civil Rights Movement had already achieved most of its aims and was well on the way to achieving the rest.
PIRA violence achieved precisely nothing, except Sunningdale for slow learners and the dropping by us of the constitutional imperative. That it was always going to be futile didn't stop the thugs who perpretrated it.
Similarly, in a united Ireland, the futile nature of unionist violence, or a singularly unattainable goal, won't stop the angry thugs, no more than it stopped the ones from the other side. That is the nature of bipartisan exclusionary nationalism - it is hate of the other.
I would've loved you to have sat down with John Hume and told him he wasted his time and there was no discrimination going on, Blanch. There was no internment either I suppose, and NICRA were only having a moan when 26 unarmed civilians were shot off the streets by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday.
Have a bloody word with yourself, Blanch. Time and time again, you demonstrate that you have absolutely zero understanding of the history of the Troubles. Maybe it'd be better if you did a bit more reading and a lot less professing your expertise on the topic.
Even the ridiculously debunked, 'Sunningdale for slow learners' betrays either your ignorance or your intentional misrepresentation of the situation.
no it took over 30 years for the british government to see sense and overthrow the orange statelet once and for all, implementing equal rights.
that could have been done at any time, either avoiding the troubles or shortening them signifficantly yet the british government chose to engage in empire crap.
this is beyond delusion it's actually funny.
the civil rights movement were beaten and shot off the streets, they got nothing.
the sectarian racist apartheid state, and all that goes with it, is gone, what you support is finished thankfully for all.
The rewriting of history is just sickening. To all intents and purposes, the NI State was replaced in 1972 by direct rule. In fact, change had already begun and taken place before then.
Your fantastical green-tinged version of history is unbelievably sad.
Even your own spin doesn't line up with the timelines, Blanch.
You stated that almost all the Civil Rights goals were achieved by the time violence broke out. Now you've shifted the timeline to 1972 (I suspect to dodge addressing Bloody Sunday and Operation Demetrius).
Violence broke out in the mid 60s with the formation of the UVF, the Provos split from the Official IRA in 1969....they moved to an offensive campaign in 1970. Even the Sunningdale Agreement didn't come along until 1973, so your claim is an absolute chronological mess.
There's certainly SOMEONE trying to rewrite history in this thread... I'm just hoping you're doing so out of ignorance rather than malice.
Well, we have made some progress, the only difference between us appears to be whether violence was never justified (my view) or whether it wasn't justified after 1972.
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