spacetweek wrote: » I'm looking forward to this one. There's no way to avoid a big Shannon bridge. Will they go north or south of CoS? Who can tell.
marno21 wrote: » Route options due Wednesday next, the 19th, at 2pm.
shanec1928 wrote: » assuming this didnt happen, no mention of it online.
Preferred route published
Page 7 if you want to skip the muck.
I see they're also building a small link road to the north of the town centre. Seems sensible.
Interesting that it will follow the existing road for the whole eastern leg. Sounds like it would involve a lot of house demolition.
Exactly what I was thinking. Strange decision.
This seems a design done to be seen to not be building new roads, nothing else. The amount of house CPOs - either to demolish or to buy someone out due to disturbance - will cost huge sums; and the bridge is on a wider point of the river too.
Not even kicking out at Aghamore seems very odd. That basemap is astonishingly old due to still showing the Aghamore PO - the PO and the shop/pub it was in are long closed!
I don't get this.
While the town clearly needs a bypass, the section from the town past Jamestown and Drumsna is recently built, after maybe 1995?
Why would it need replacement?
@L1011 - the background map (it is not the base-map upon which the project was designed!) is used to give the general public a quick frame of reference - if you're living near there, it's detailed enough that you can see quickly whether you might be affected by the build, and if you think you might, you can go and check the real, detailed, charts.
Much of the existing N4 between Carrick and Aghamore is upgraded wide single so makes sense to reuse it. The bit between Carrick and the Jamestown/Drumsna bypass can be done aka the N4 upgrade outside Collooney.
It’s the online upgrade through Aghamore that’s a bit mysterious.
I would assume they will avoid Aghamore, the text to the side states "The Preferred Option Corridor commences on the existing N4 within the townland of Cloongownagh where it progresses off-line south of the existing N4, north of the of the Dublin to Sligo railway line".
After that, there aren't really that many houses directly on the existing road, just a couple of places with several houses relatively close together. Likely the only place where CPO and demolition is definitely needed is along the lake, but even they are older cottages which may not be lived in beyond the current occupants. There should be easy enough solutions everywhere else. West of the L3656, I'd assume there will be another off-line section as the new road heads towards the river. The existing road could be tied into the L3656, maybe redesignate that whole section as R299 or something like that.
The 1990s bypass was done on the cheap and didn't provide a second river crossing which is what is really needed here. The existing bridge is narrow.
I agree with new bridge.
Why not tie in with existing road maybe 1km south of Tesco?
The intent is to reuse the Jamestown-Drumsna section and nobody finds that strange.
The odd thing is just how much of the non upgraded corridor they appear to be intending to use.
@marno21 explained that re-use, but here's a typical example of what that existing corridor looks like: N4 - Google Maps
There are still quite a few direct entrances on this route, which will need parallel access roads to deal with. However, the preferred corridor is 300 metres wide, and the final land-take for a 2+2 (the widest conceivable road type to be built here, and the most likely) is around 20~25 metres including earthworks fencing and verges. That does allow for a new road that isn't just a simple widening of the existing road, but for much of its length there are signs that the existing N4 here has wide strips of unused land beside it that could allow an online widening without the need to purchase more land.
But even at 300 metres width, The preferred corridor still doesn't leave much space to go around Aghamore: Here's a rough sketch of where the corridor sits on an aerial view:
Looks like the locals are not happy with whats proposed - Opposition groups forming..
New group formed following “disappointing” N4 public bypass display - Leitrim Live (leitrimobserver.ie)
That whole article is so badly written that it’s hard to make what anyone actually said or asked for. As far as I can tell, there are three complaints:
Can we assume then that there will be no complaints about dividing communities, destroying livelihoods, etc. with a new-build offline route through farmland?
Tender out for ground investigation
https://carrickdromod.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/274219-ARUP-ZZ-XX-FN-ZM-000007.pdf
Project now being prioritized around the fantasies of the Minister.
I know the traditional argument against bypasses is that you end up with a rosary-bead alignment, but that isn't going to happen here, because the bypass sections that are built are designed as part of longer schemes that can be constructed later.
If the minister wasn’t from the Green Party, you’d be all for this as a way of getting something delivered on a limited budget. And yes, the budget is limited, and that’s nothing to do with Eamon Ryan either...
At least something is being done - this will have huge impacts on a trip i take frequently. It'll make Expressway to Sligo a lot more consistent too
Indeed. I know it’s some time out, and will be under a different Government but the bulk of roads capital funding is during the period 2026-2030. There is currently 2 projects advancing with planning not at tender, so there will definitely be budget there at that stage to do the entire N4 project by then. The eastern 11.5km pruned from this project is also an online upgrade, so cheaper.
Rather than a complaint about Ryan etc, my one issue with cutting back schemes like this is that many of them have a high value add component and some low value add parts. The obvious high value add part here is the Carrick bypass, however the project also includes 11.5km of safety upgrades to the east, improving both safety and capacity, and removing a gap between 2 dual carriageways. If you take out the Carrick bypass part the eastern section becomes less attractive to develop on its own
Same as in Cork, they could have built an 8km Macroom bypass and be done with it but instead we’re getting a 22km bypass of 2 towns and removing some bad sections in between. A much better outcome
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