Regarding those UK pedestrianised areas, I think the world needs to learn that going forward, they will need to get out of their cars and walk for a few metres instead of being able to drive right up to the door. People are realising that towns belong to them, not cars, and thus are demanding that what's currently road space is reallocated more fairly. Look at how successful it has been in Paris in such a short time.
Before anyone jumps in, of course the elderly and disabled will need to be catered for, but because someone once needed to collect a piano from a shop, allegedly, doesn't mean it happens every day or needs to be allowed.
Would the evaluation not satisfy the public consultation requirements? Seems to be fairly clear on what the stakeholders want. Or will they go shopping for another opinion?
Yeah let's just wait for the Part 8 shall we? The Councillors will hear directly from stakeholders, in no uncertain terms.
I read the report of course, but I did notice on social media that even some zealots described the findings of the report, around traffic volumes and displacement, as not reflecting the "lived experience".
And really, you can have too many public realm spaces, attractive or otherwise, if they take away public transport services from those that most need them and where they need them the most.
There's many a pedestrianised shopping area in towns across the UK that are basically derelict. Not only because of pedestrianisation, certainly, but it does demonstrate that its no panacea either.
Well, 81% of residents and 67% of customers would disagree with you. If you read the report or even the summary you will note that access to the hospital and shopping centre has been identified as an issue that will need to be addressed.
Also I think it is more about providing attractive public realm spaces, which you can never have too much of, the provision of such benefits everybody, including businesses.
As per reports to the Councillors at various meetings in May and June, the Council aren't going to close George's Street Lower at all this summer.
They have undertaken to prepare a detailed 'Part 8' proposal to be published around October, containing solutions to all the issues raised by this assessment report and by stakeholders. This will go to public consultation with a view to having a plan agreed for Summer 2023.
In the meantime, the approved Part 8 to do the full improvement on Myrtle Square and Convent Lane will go to construction.
Its worth noting that at the abovementioned Meetings, Councillors expressed serious concerns about the bus services and misgivings from many businesses not involved in hospitality, which will not easily be addressed by any full closure of Gs Street to traffic.
I certainly will be fighting to keep the street open to limited traffic; buses, taxis, cycles and delivery vehicles. I believe there will be more than enough safe public realm space in the area, in what has already been approved, without the unacceptable consequence of removing bus services from the Hospital and Bloomfields, where they are needed most by those who can do without them the least.
Well, it would seem from a cursory read through, that the reaction, despite all the hype to the contrary, has been overwhelmingly positive. DLRCC now need to get off their ars*s and implement it permanently, as per the recommendation. The summer is half gone already!
It’s odd that the sign went up on public property, I’d love to know how that came about.
I’m not sure I buy the road safety reason though. There are billboards all over the city, some of them near major junctions and no one is calling for their removal.
The Results of last years Summer Streets Trial have been published.
You can read the short overview document here:https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/dl_summer_streets_evaluation_summary_report_f0.pdf
The 99 page full reportcan be found here:https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/dl_summer_streets_evaluation_report_f0.pdf
Fascinating to see how the Beacon managed to operate profitable billboards on Council owned land for twenty years, despite safety risks to traffic.
Article is from yesterday's Sunday Times.
Wont be sorted until they build the flyover !!!
You hit the nail on the head about an excuse for the council to do nothing. Just stop mowing. You'd think that they might shift themselves and put in a few wildflower seeds. Or would that be too much effort?
Have we sorted out the deansgrange traffic yet? Lol
If they really want to help the bees, why not plant lavender or other bee friendly plants with high quality pollen and nectar as opposed to grass, dandelions and thistles which have low amino acid content and aren't all that good for the bees. The equivalent of feeding them only on rice cakes.
What point?
The point is whether traffic is part of the problem or the solution to the sad and grotty nature that the area has degenerated into over the past 12 months.
i get the wildlife and bees bit, but there are thistles growing in and around the area that children are supposed to play in. in fact, there are weeds growing out of every pavement in and around the Glasthule area.
me thinks the bees are an excuse for the council to do nothing.
Its lookkng shabby as the plan was put on hold so as to link up wity the newer mastsrplan of georges street
The thistles dtc are in hudson park as part of a national campaign to support wildlife in particularly bees
It sounds as though you are saying that re-routing cars via Crofton Road had no affect on car traffic which IS far from the case.
that pretty much typifies Dun Laoghaire council though. They spend money on capital projects but then don't bother to maintain them so everything ends up looking shabby and grotty. The only exception is the almost obsessive way they maintain the People's park.
The library is looking shabby, Hudson Park is becoming overgrown with thistles and weeds and as stated, Myrtle Sq is looking awful.
It was also fine at peak times, an attractive public space where people could get away from traffic.
BTW the fact that you drove down might be the reason that you missed the point.
The few times I drove down this stretch of road at peak times begs to differ. I'm sure it was fine off peak.
Thought the same thing passing through on Tuesday. Trees have been removed along with public toilets and it now looks pretty sad. Having said that there quite a lot of people using the picnic benches for lunch so it goes to show if you create the space (even a shady, grotty one!) people will use it. Would be great if the planning application referred to by other posters is the reason for the hopefully temporary backwards step.
I thought it was quite successful, certainly a much more wellcoming part of the town to shop in.
i’d hazard a guess and say the businesses were up
On the contrary I thought this worked quite well brought more life into the town. And I didn't find it that disruptive to buses the routing via Crofton Road is actually slightly shorter than the routing via Marine Road and Lwr George's Street for the 46a/63/75 which alleviates some of the issues caused by additional traffic created for buses meaning its a bit of a much of a muchness.
Crofton Road was a nightmare when this was trialled last year with traffic often being brought to a stand still along its entire length. Yeah, it was a nice idea in theory. In practice, it was introduced without a hollistic approach.
DLR intend to lodge a Part 8 planning application soon that will seek to permanently pedestrianise part of George's Street and that will also incorporate works to Myrtle Square. The aim is to have the whole process completed by summer 2023. And yes, it is quite shabby now but it's definitely an improvement on what was there previously, let's hope the Part 8 addresses the obvious issues outstanding.
At the risk of standing accused of resurrecting a zombie thread (genius idea to split the old DL thread into two BTW) and almost 12 months on from the post above, I cycled along Georges st and Myrtle Sq. today and it is NOTHING like the depiction above. Lr Georges st itself is full of traffic, fumes, oil spattered roadway and dirt. I imagine this is because the street cleaners can't get at it because of the traffic.
Myrtle sq. has gone from having great beginnings and potential last year, to a fairly dirty and grotty area. No planters, trees or atmosphere as depicted above, just a few stained, grimy sad tables and benches. Doesn't look like it has been washed down for ever!
A great area and attraction in 2021 has become everything that the former poster taxiperson said incorrectly that it was back then.
Shameful really!!!!
Was away for a few days and when I came back today I was delighted to see that "the gap" as its known locally has been closed at long last. I refer to the gap in the poles on Leopardstown Road at the junction with Leopardstown Avenue. No more will we have to witness the gobshites trying to make an illegal right turn to and from Leopardstown Avenue. One very happy bunny here. 😁
We should all be on the look out for cycling fascists. Please call your local antifa group if they are seen in your area.
While it's certainly a contentious issue of policy and will get more adversarial in the next few years, it's not really a Dun Laoghaire Thread issue is it?
We do discuss specific locations in the area, but national policy debates aren't a matter for us, I suggest.
I wonder if the members of the National Economic and Social Council hang out with a few of the cycling fascists from this thread. The whiff of cart before the horse anti car fundamentalism smells about the same.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/cut-number-of-parking-spaces-to-discourage-car-ownership-committee-to-be-told-41249699.html
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