If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
1) The attack on the HSE was carried out by organised crime protected by the Russian state. Not a 14-year-old in their mother's house.
2) If the state of Russia wanted to bring down Irish government services via Cyber attack, it would with ease. We are very vulnerable here.
The same Putin bots said the same thing about Russia and Ukraine for months before they invaded Russia. How wrong they were.....
The fact is china see Taiwan as part of thier country and that is their number one motive for invasion.
The CCP see it that way, but as Yurt already wrote, its a modern mad up narrative, a narrative you are more than happy to bot about the place.
Japan has as much connection to Taiwan as China, for all its worth.
Russia can see Ukraine as part of greater Russia, but its not going well for them at the moment is it?
Everything I said about Taiwan and its importance to peace in the East Asia and the wider Pacific is true, that is why there is so much concern about it.
Churchill had a plan to invade Ireland. He could not handle us being neutral. He even offered the North should we go in with allies but De Valera said no. The link you sent about operation green even said it was a threat more than an actual planned invasion.
Logic is not your strong suit is it now?
Plan W was a joint Irish and British plan to repel Germany should they have invaded Ireland.
Churchill had no such plan to invade neutral Ireland, should it remain neutral. There was a request by Lord Craigavon to invade the south, because he thought Dev was under Nazi influence, a request that was rebuffed by Churchill.
History ain't your strong suit now is it? ;)
Can't debate the point so throws 'Putin bot' into the discussion. Keeps Trump up his sleeve to be used later.
Devastating debate! 😁
Didn't we have the Russian Ambassador telling us we were crazy to think Russia would ever invade Ukraine?
And made fools out of the Cork fishermen who took him at his word ...
Am I wrong?
Boards was swamped with these posters, with the same narrative as yourself, that everyone was scaremongering about an invasion. Yet, it still happened.
Now, we all know from your earlier posts on this thread that you view NATO and Putin as the same, which of course is the same Putin-Bot narrative from many people who have a bit of love for Putin and hate the west. So, your views on NATO are biased and coloured to say the least.
I didn't take part in any of the threads you talk about.
So go away with your nonsense.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 BTW.
NATO is a good old fashion shake down for money
Aint no one invading Ireland
Accept that and get on with your life FFS.
IF UK wants to scare Russian planes out of international airspace of the irish coast, let them at it
You are taking part in this thread, are you not?
This is your first post on this thread.
We should never join NATO and get drawn into the toxic geopolitical wars and strategic shennanigans of it's primary members.
The usual Kremlin-backed propaganda talking point used by those with sneaky regard for Russia and Putin bots alike.
It seems you have spent endless hours and energy criticising your favourite hobby horse the Brits and the Americans yet barely a peep about the Russians and Putin. It's clear for all to see where your loyalty lies.
no the usual factist facts as propagated by that poster which you are unable to deal with hence your aggressive and abusive nature and false allegations of being a russian bot etc.
britain and america are the main members of nato, the thread is about nato, russia is not a member of nato and the thread isn't really about russia, there is a thread about russia.
ireland doesn't need to be a member of nato, keep our noses out and a good military will be enough for our needs.
Not all threads exist in a vacuum, so the idea of Ireland joining NATO or another security organisation has to be viewed on what's happening to the world at large. Therefore, one cannot ignore what's happening in Russia, or Ukraine if one is talking about NATO and Ireland.
As per the poster and his facts? Well, that poster didn't have a clue about Ireland's neutrality at the start of the thread and wrongly thought we needed a referendum to change our position on neutrality, which of course is wrong. So much for facts, eh?
Would you agree to a referendum?
ROFL
Why would it need to be Kremlin backed? Look around you Mark, what have the U, their shotgun riders the UK etc and Russia been at for decades now? Geopolitical game playing. They have all invaded sovereign territories for their own gain and geopolitical interests.
Are you gonna deny that?
Jaysus...I got a small fact wrong Mark.
And even though we don't need a referendum, I don't think FG/FF have the balls to do it without one. We need one to join any EU defence force though.
You seem to want to inhabit a world of make believe where countries don't have their own interests to protect.
They always have and they always will. Just a question of which side you want to be on: western democracy or tin pot dictatorship?
Pick one. There is no middle ground.
Exactly.
So why is stating the above 'Kremlin backed' particularly?
I'm not on any side in geopolitical gameplaying tbh. And there is no reason for us to involve ourselves militarily, we can support in other ways and offer valuable peace keeping services to the world.
Ah, the 'might is right' Putin-Bot type of excuse....
With all that's going on in the world, you seem to divert a lot of energy-giving out about the Brits in all this, and little to none about Russia. Odd that .... eh?
Small, but very VERY significant.... if you didn't know the basics, it's clear you didn't know much about the topic and just want to argue for arguing sake.
Listen to this nonsense...the 'world' did not start with Russia invading Ukraine.
Why wouldn't I 'give out about the British', the US, Russia etc and their costly geopolitical gameplaying?
This thread was created in the midst of the Ukraine crisis.
If you want to talk about the Americans or your favourite hobby horse, all things bad 'Da Brits' do, there are other threads for them. Stop taking this thread off-topic with the inane 'whataboutery'.
Regardless, your repeated attempts to discuss NATO in the same vein as what Russia is doing, clear up any misconception that you are indeed a soft supporter of Putin Russia because it gives da Brits a bloody nose.
That is the reality. We are democracy and the majority here want us to stay neutral. We were neutral in ww2 and that was the right call for Ireland too.
People can make up these euro millions chance odds of us being invaded by russia but thankfully there is not enough paranoid people with big imaginations to believe this would be worth Ireland to change its stance on neutrality.
I think people here might want us to join some sort of EU defence force. Providing it is just for defence. But some of the main members of Nato like the US and Britain have caused a lot of shite over the years with wars. A lot would rather not be in a club with them. Also nato have wildcards like turkey who are in a very unstable part of world. Should they be attacked then we have to get into a middle east war... no thanks. With about latvia and estonia who have a big part of the Russian nation living there. What happens if russia goes there then we are in ww3.
The fact is from a security piont of view we would be safer outside of nato.
Flat out misrepresentation. I never compared what Russia is doing to what NATO is doing.
I criticised those who have been playing geopolitical games in the world and how it frequently ends in the bloodshed of the innocent. If you want to pretend that Russia invading Ukraine is the start of something, work away but stop misrepresenting please.
Ireland is most definitely not in a strategic location for Russia and absent an invasion that conquered much of continental Europe any supply lines to an invasion force in Ireland would be utterly and completely untenable.
You have to enter fantasy land to see a situation where it might happen.
I never compared what Russia is doing to what NATO is doing.
Eh, yes you did. There are dozens of posts in this thread alone about NATO's 'agenda' and the 'sure they are all as bad as each other' narrative you like to go on about.
Its crystal clear what you are up to.
"Safer outside Nato"
How? Because that is clearly not the case.
Outside of NATO we are a target, inside of NATO we are a much MUCH smaller target..
Go on and find one that says: What Russia is doing is as bad as NATO.
If you live with Putin under the bed (along with your other obsessions) I can see why you are not able to properly understand the debate.
Ah, a nice strawman there. No, you didn't use those 'exact words' but you said things like.."People who want to join NATO are warmongers", "NATO have an agenda", "We cannot trust Britain", "NATO are also to blame for what's happening in Ukraine", "NATO is not a defence organisation".... and many such nuggets like that.
Lest I mention your support for an invasion of the North, a NATO country, yet you are very content with the UK, US, France, Russia and China having a veto over our Foreign Policy. Makes sense?!?!?
Your position has more holes than Swiss Cheese.
The only hole here is you not being able to quote where I said what you claimed.
By the way, is anyone who criticises ALL the players in geopolitical gameplaying Putin Bots?
No, but in this context, yes, as you are parroting Kremlin Talking points about NATO.
As per quotes?
"Nobody bar the warmongers..want to be in the club"
"Shame on NATO"
"Ukraine is a pawn of NATO"
"Consequences on Ukraine not being in NATO"
"NATO/US also deserves blame."
Just some choice words in the first 10 or so pages of this thread...
There are a lot more.
Best to stop digging Francie.
