nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

Irish birthrate slumps 22% in a decade

Miadhc

Despite a slight 4% jump in births for 2021 the birth rate in Ireland has witnessed a sharp 22% drop since 2011 according to newly released CSO statistics.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsys/vitalstatisticsyearlysummary2021/

All in all statistics reveal a social convergence between Ireland and the rest of Europe.

A direct product of social atomisation and the liberal deluge, such trendlines in any other time would be regarded as a looming demographic threat pointing to wider existential malaise.

While nations of the East both acknowledge and seek to heal the demographic chasm through pro-family policies Ireland still remains in the wilderness in deluding itself that migration can act as a bandaid to a society losing the will to propagate itself.

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

Miadhc

It seems the government want to offset the costs of childcare/schooling against the pensions by using Anti-Natalist policies to keep birthrate at 1.6 and to then just import migrants to keep the Pension ponzi scheme going.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159006#Comment_119159006

I have more than a few children myself

Somehow I make it work

So far they have been cheap enough, what with all the children allowance

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158870#Comment_119158870

Because for many couples a 2nd job is mandatory..... and not by choice. Quite simply, mortage, cost of living etc, require two salary's. And all these figures will go out the window when a baby comes along. At a guess monkeybutter, I'd say you don't have any children yet?

monkeybutter

How do you figure that

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158858#Comment_119158858

What a bleak, miserable worldview. My wife and I are fortunate to be blessed with two beautiful children, with a third on the way. We would both be happy to have more. Best thing that’s ever happened to both of us and brings immense joy every day.

The entire western world is below replacement fertility, as is most of East Asia. Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and China are all facing demographic collapse, due their extraordinarily low birth rates.

Birth rates in Latin America, the Middle East, the Maghreb, and India are all tumbling, hovering barely above replacement level. In fact, many southern Indian states are already sub replacement.

The only region with explosive population growth is sub-Saharan Africa. That’s where you should be focusing your messaging.

Kermit.de.frog

It's a real crisis for a country like Ireland which is under populated as it is.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158926#Comment_119158926

The consequences of childbirth

Pro lapses

Tears

Fissures

Headaches

The physical and emotional toll of breastfeeding and no sleep

Depression

Marriage turmoil

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158872#Comment_119158872

That's the spirit

Cause like was all tikety boo for the rest of mankind's existence and it's so much worse now

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158888#Comment_119158888

What's openly discussed....go on enlighten me.

As I know my friends have had fierce trouble trying to get Drs and consultants to take them seriously.

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158845#Comment_119158845

You're nearly down to one income anyway. The only thing is if both still working you have potential pay rises etc .

However if one stays at home the pace of living slows down there's no rushing to creche in morning or evening. The working parent can then give more focus to their career.

Giving up a career to stay at home is a massive adjustment not to be taken lightly. You're handing over alot of "power" to your OH, if they decide to work late/pints etc there's not much you can do and if you've been stuck with a cranky baby all day you can become very resentful.

Lots of pros and cons to both options.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158346#Comment_119158346

It's openly discussed by many, stop living the in the 1940s

Miadhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158834#Comment_119158834

In an ideal society this would be possible. Unfortunately for most families two incomes are necessary, children should be reared in the home and not in childcare. Our current society doesn't allow for this to happen.

cgcsb

Why would anyone bring a child into the world now? Nothing but misery left for them. If global population continues to climb the way it is there'll be nothing for those kids by the time they're 30. Sure millennial people now aren't even allowed a roof over their heads they have to live with their parents forever

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158845#Comment_119158845

Why would you want to have someone else minding them, not to mention someone on minimum wage doing it

Beasty

Too many people on this planet already. Increasing birthrates result in us doing more damage to the environment, extracting more of our depleting resources

Births continue to significantly exceed deaths. That is bad news for the planet

Nigel Fairservice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158834#Comment_119158834

I do have the option of a career break for a few years but we would be down to one income. I grew up in a single income house in the 80s and 90s but those days are long over.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158565#Comment_119158565

Minding them yourself is free sure

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158565#Comment_119158565

We were in that situation years ago and childcare was a lot cheaper then. It's a huge deterrent, tbh i don't know how people manage now, its like a second mortgage.

Nigel Fairservice

Myself and my missus at the now or never age in terms of having children. We have a decent income between the two of us but financially I'm not sure how we would cope with kids, especially with the cost of childcare.

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158525#Comment_119158525

Nice that the take away point for you was the car.

Not the emotional and physical health of the mother/female population.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158346#Comment_119158346

Also, isn't there an environmental and climate disaster happening ?

But, let's not have more kids cause we might have to buy a bigger car 😁😁😁

O'Neill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158478#Comment_119158478

Yes do you want to crack it?

Miadhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158288#Comment_119158288

That old chestnut.

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158014#Comment_119158014

While they are certainly factors there's also the human element to it too.

Pregnancy takes a massive toll on your body both emotionally and physically.

Many women just don't want to put themselves through multiple pregnancies. Nearly every mum in my circle has had some lasting repercussions of pregnancy, it's not openly discussed as that's not the done thing.

They love their kids but 2 is enough.

Also when you go 3+ kids (especially close in age) , you might need to replace the car to fit in car seats, holidays especially abroad are a little trickier etc.

If contraception was available in our grandparents time I very much doubt they'd have had the usual catholic family of 7+ kids.

O'Neill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157823#Comment_119157823

Irish people complaining about immigration....😂

Miadhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158114#Comment_119158114

Well it is clear our birthrate is below replacement levels. So we aren't replacing ourselves that much is certain.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158114#Comment_119158114

It contributes to diversity in the world dont you know. Oh wait no.

Dyr

We just had a thread where the local yahoos on here tried to claim that this process is good and natural while vehemently denying that Europeans are being replaced in their homelands 😂

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157995#Comment_119157995

No its not, for sure. A declining native birthrate, with an increasing immigrant birthrate, is a recipe for disaster down the road, especially when there are divergent cultures involved.

[Deleted User]

As long as it costs approx 1000 a month to pay for creche and over 2 euro for a litre of fuel while people are practically forced to move out of Dublin and commute long distances... well I don't think the birth rate will be shooting up anytime soon.