God bless paddy, if the Brits say no head over to paddy next
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/supreme-court-overturns-passport-decision-for-child-of-refugee-who-gave-false-information-1315080.html
Someone saying "normal, natural change"????
If I could pick a more adnormal, unnatural change, it's be hard to top squeezing as many foreign people into a tiny island to artificially inflate property prices!
Lest thats not specific enough to point out the madness, how about the 40,000 non-eu migrants that may be "fast-tracked" for the stated purpose of doing jobs Irish people realised are unaffordable in the housing crisis?? A housing crisis fueled by too many imported people??
Does that Golden Nugget sound "normal" or "natural"??
Modern day slavery is all it is. And it has created a modern day version of English landlordism for Irish people into the bargain.
Only a few people profit off this, but my god the profits are unreal.
"Normal and natural"!
Look at these ethnic spicy chicken wings, multiculturalism is amazeballs! But don't look at beheadings, that's something something something mumble mumble mumble BUT LOOK AT THIS GUY FROM VENEZUELA DRINKING A PINT OF GUINNESS!
A great welfare and accommodation system with a big government welcome for new arrivals .
The link does not include the Ukrainians and asylum seekers about 37K at present .
Oh, I'd say that Europeans/westerners are just as group centric as other ethnic or cultural groups. The demand for acceptance of foreign groups tends to come from the State, from aspects of philosophy, or "experts"/theorists supposedly representing their cultural group. I did a stint in Frankfurt when I was a young man, and while people were welcoming, there was always a reserve involved. Same again, with the French in Provence, welcoming/friendly but you would never be accepted as being French. I think the Irish have less of a reserve in such situations, probably because nationalism, on a racial or cultural basis, never really established itself here for long.. compared to other nations which were empires or had a more unified culture before being conquered by others.
The demand to accept foreign groups as the same as the native group tends to be external (political/moral) to the average representatives within a population. I'd say that tribalism is alive and well throughout all nations.. and if anything, is increasing with the rise of multiculturalism. Essentially, getting the opposite of what you wanted, because it's been handled so badly.
Great analysis. Having lived many years in the Middle and Far East I can vouch for its accuracy. I've noticed most ethnic groups outside of Europeans are intrinsically group centric. If you suggest to say a Thai, a Turk or a Saudi or a South Asian that foreigners living in their midst should receive equal or even elevated rights they would find the concept totally preposterous. Try for example to gain full citizenship in said countries. Not easy. That fact that Europeans seem to do the very opposite they find very odd to put it mildly...but hey....will gladly take full advantage of it. I guess the events of the crazy 20th century led to the extreme inversion.
I've seen you call people similar far more times than I ever have, but the difference between me and you is that I'll at least make an argument along with my insult, yet you, you've nothing but insults.
That just about shows your argument really. Anyone who ever disagrees with you gets painted as mentally unhinged.
"Dragging us into the sewers" - Thats some very warped framing. All the language you come out with is fascinating really; it's all about demonising migrants, painting anyone who mildly supports immigration as a treasonous enemy of the state. Its like a container under siege really where only certain people are deemed in your worldview of any value or worth and everyone else isnt.
Too often we have imported the screwed up American political language. Eejits in Ireland coming out with "MAGA" when the orange eejit was in power, other eejits going on about intersectionality etc. Same goes for the "race" stuff. I can understand a Black kid in "multicultural" Europe, inclduing Ireland getting into and buying into the US Rap stuff, because it can and often does speak to them and the failed promises of multiculturalism, but for those in wider Irish society to take on the US political daftness I can't understand.
I always wanted kids. When the recession hit I never thought "OMG how would I provide for them?" because a minimum wage job and part-time for the lady would have easily covered things at that time. Now? LOL, nah. And just seeing how things are going I absolutely have no interest in having kids here.
I've been watching a black history series on YouTube (pretty informative, I disagree with the obvious lean in certain aspects but anyway) and the presenter is at pains to explain things like that with the Africans being the slave-sellers etc. and how people use it as a "Gotcha!". Very US-centric. I can see why he feels like he needs to explain it, particularly to an American audience. Unfortunately so many in Europe want to pretend that American racism is the same as all. For us outside we can see that slavery itself wasn't a particularly "racial" thing on the global scale (yeah I know, they'd catch enemies from 8 miles away who were "different") but in America it then formed the basis for their disgusting centuries of I dunno, not even sure there's a word for their extreme racial bullshit.
So in summation, as Europeans we may say something true and in our frame of reference uncontroversial but to Americans the wording matters and means something different to them. As I said though, someone pointing out that the majority of people from a certain country land here and don't work will then be compared to the cop that killed George Floyd.
You don’t know what “turkeys voting for Christmas” means?
If not, I doubt you’d understand any rebuttal of the drivel in your post.
Hip hop is/was at heart(and at its best IMHO) the rebel song of disenfranchised African American youth(and havin the craic too of course). In many ways it was a reaction to the failed promises of the Civil Rights era. They were the young next generation of those who had marched. Though avidly lapped up by While middle class suburban youth it could be argued that the more political hip hop was the requiem for the dead promise of the American Melting Pot. Much of it is about being apart and being seen as being apart by White American culture(or what that culture pretends to be). That many were or became Muslim(much of it the American scientology version) was a further rejection of WASP culture. Minus the Irony that Muslim slavers had been in play in Africa for far longer than European slavers and for longer after too. Hip hop beyond the easy listening Billboard stuff was and is designed to point out the BS and wind up the WASP culture.
its not grand…
it’s not grand that people are on ever expanding hospital waiting lists. Because of the DEMAND.
its not grand that Ireland has the least rehabilitative beds in the whole of the EU per head of population.
its not grand that public transport infrastructure isn’t coping with the current population, yet the impending influx, fück.
its not grand that two thirds of people on the social housing waiting list are on it over two years now to be Q skipped. You know, taxpayers !
it’s not grand that to accommodate the influx planning laws and standards will be and are being overlooked..’ we need it, build it ‘…
these things don’t ‘just pass’.. what’s happening in and to this country.. the negative reverberations will be felt for decades. Financially, socially, every manner of our existence and wellbeing will be challenged and our quality of life as taxpayers and as citizens an afterthought..
we will see a population spike and demand on all these services like never in the history of the state… the naive and selfishly myopic decisions will reverberate for decades and generations….. for to be Irish in one’s own country will soon guarantee you nothing aside from… ‘ you are here ‘
I’d have no wish or want to bring life into this world, in this state. Because as a result of these decisions this country will be in a state.
this isn’t a crises, this IS life as we’ve known it turned upside down…. This is the political classes selling out the very people who they are elected to serve, CITIZENS…. A ‘crisis’ is temporary.. this isn’t..
time to say bye and fûck you to the EU…
and remember…
don’t get sick
dont lose your job
dont break up from the husband / wife
because soon state supports will be tokenistic… won’t happen overnight… because what’s happening over time is an erosion of our wellbeing…
hundreds of thousands of people coming here to attain safety but…who will and are..
thousand in time will not only want to remain here but will try and bring other family here too…
i saw the attitude in the gym at my local college… here for accommodation, support, money, safety… they thought that staying in a location that happened to have a gym meant that they automatically had membership to it and proceeded to hassle and harry the lone female staff member by crowding her and whilst not shouting were raising voices in an intimidating manner… until she eventually was forced to give them the same so they’d piss off…
@Wibbs
Do you deny that Western liberal democracies are by most metrics the least misogynistic and violent?
Of course they will deny, not with a straight answer, but they will never admit that. You know why? Because that requires honesty and being honest about these things is deemed racist these days.
And it's not even just the non-western cultures and subcultures. The western, let's say, hip-hop culture of the 90s and 2000s has become extremely misogynistic, homophobic and violent and at the same time it has become dominated by muslim artists. Go figure if this was just a correlation or maybe there is some causality.
Let's see what Diane Abbott has to say
Government boast it is opening up visas to the world’s top graduates. But many originally come from third world countries. Why is Britain asset stripping poor countries like this?
Diane Abbott MP on Twitter: "Government boast it is opening up visas to the world’s top graduates. But many originally come from third world countries. Why is Britain asset stripping poor countries like this? https://t.co/ZGNtfNPloC" / Twitter
I find everything weird? What are you basing that on, other than plucking the claim for thin air? Oh, and I spent quite a few years involved in a punk scene.. Although considering you objected over cultural appropriation, you've already shown that you've assumed an unreasonable position.
Weirdness and exoticism are the key words between you two.
Ok, let's see some direct quotes from me on both of those things (related to me). Cause I'm pretty sure that I've never mentioned exoticism in any of my posts, and the only times I've mentioned something being weird, it was describing a choice of behaviour. I seriously doubt that weird is a key word in my posts.
I haven't denied claiming that there are a wide range of negatives connected with diversity in a multicultural context, but I suspect that's not the point. The point is that I haven't embraced diversity in it's entirety the way other posters, like yourself, have.
All the same, you're still talking about me (or Wibbs) and not countering the points made... which is key behaviour when it comes to your presence on the thread.
Keep on pretending you are wordly, and hammering the same rusty nail for a thousand posts. Boring.
Then, skip over them. TBH I doubt you read them anyway, just scanning to find something to nitpick over.
As for boring, you really should consider your own posts in that context, because I queried something of yours and three posts later, you still haven't clarified or explained them properly. You shifted focus, deflecting away, with the attempt to make this about me, rather than what I queried.
All those with hatred for other races have in this thread is cliche after cliche.
When argument fails, or when arguments are extremely thin on the ground there's a need to avoid them, run to racism as a get out option. Direct insult the other. This has been with sadly and remarkably few exceptions been the go to "argument" of those in favour of multiculturalism throughout this thread from the start. Of the threadbanned posters listed in the first page of this thread an equally remarkable large percentage of those were those in favour because they attacked the player not the ball. For apparently such a self evident and obvious given it's not a good look for multiculturalism or those that defend it.
Ask them what their solution is and they go quiet.
Literally me in my last post.
I honestly don't think there is a solution once it's in play. The only "solution" of sorts is to limit migration before it's in play as it's very much based on numbers. A couple of thousand [insert group here] in a population of a couple of million [insert goup here] is quite doable. Tens, or hundreds of thousands of [insert group here] in a population of a couple of million [insert goup here] is when the trend comes into play. As has been pointed out as some sort of "defence" of this politic we already had internal social frictions among the "natives" and I would agree. Multiculturalism brings in added social frictions and different social frictions and as has the experience of every single nation that tries this political experiement seemingly intractable ones.
But I'm not surprised you didn't actually read the arguments. You are consistent in this at least as you try and fail to find that "gotcha" moment you think will hand you some sort of victory over the "racists". It's a lot easier than actually debating the points raised of course.
Name one positive that is unique or special of Irish society?
Name one positive that is unique or special about [insert non Irish society here] you think will "improve" us?
Nope. Try again. What I actually wrote:
Compared to White Western Liberal democratic nations and cultures, yes. Not just Black cultures. The Western liberal democracies are by most metrics the least misogynistic and violent.
Cultures not people. EG Middle Eastern cultures are to Western liberal eyes more misogynistic with more strict gender roles. Does this mean all Middle Eastern people are misogynistic? Of course it doesn't, but it's not "racist" to point out those sometimes stark differences in culture. As far as "Black culture"(a stupidly simplistic label anyway) I posted surveys that showed quite clear differences between "White culture" and "Black culture" in multicultural societies in cultural attitudes to homophobia. I can link all the day long similar differences across other cultures that find themselves in Western multicultural societies. The UK, Denmark, France, Spain and so on have done plenty such surveys and studies. Though you will avoid reading them, because well...
This. Screeching Racism!!!
Do you deny that Western liberal democracies are by most metrics the least misogynistic and violent? If you do deny that then I really don't know what to say to you. If you don't then by obvious extension this means other cultures can be more misogynistic and violent.
2022 so far, it's still time for worse.
Great to have you back Robbie, I mean ryel sorry!! New poster incoming in 3,2,1!
What normal natural change you on about?
Hey Kew
What are the positives of Irish society that we must protect it at all costs from normal natural change?
Big bang o projection from your posts Tom.
More personal insults thrown.
Maybe have a look at yourself before throwing out the armchair psychology advice based on my 70 odd posts there Tom. LOL
I never mentioned the EU or CTA. You seem to have a habit of going of on a rant and not being able to answer the simple questions that was asked.(if you think that way)
It will be revealed soon enough the details of the murder of the young woman in Offaly.
>Prior convictions included attempted murder in Romania, aggravated theft, criminal damage, violent behaviour in a Garda station and a number of road traffic offences.
That Gypsy cusine though...
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-sentenced-to-life-for-murder-of-homeless-man-found-beaten-in-dublin-park-after-casino-win-41703553.html
Not a good look for multiculturism in 2022.
Waffle waffle waffle. Well done Tom.
We have actual posters saying black people are inherently violent etc but yeah let's not address actual racism.
Anyway as usual not even an attempt to answer my questions.
The silence in reply to my questions says more than enough though.
I mean you actually insulted me straight out a few days ago and your posts were removed but yeah old men is such a slur. Lol.
Ps. old men, old men, old men.
Many of these posters are old men with no children and no real concern for the future and how their hatred will affect young lives. No too consumed with their nonsense belief that white is right or some such crap.
Your obsession with "old men" is honestly bizarre. And when it comes to concern for the future, that's a cheeky one, seeing as it's poster like yourself that keep advocating for policies that are dragging us into the sewers when it comes to quality of life, and what's ahead for the Irish people. I can think of very few things that are being pushed by the Irish state at the minute that will actually make our future better.
There's also been solutions given for years and years on these threads and on any threads concerning bad state policies. In most cases, simply not implementing stupid, unworkable policies and enforcing laws that are already on our books, would mitigate most growing problems.
You don't care about any of that though, because you seem to be just mindlessness throwing back talking points, with no care for the fact that people like yourself are the ones who are full of hot air when it comes to fixing problems, which can be seen anytime DaCor is asked how we could fix things.
The only open borders ireland has is with the UK and the EU.
Do you have a problem with the CTA or with EU membership Kew?
Ireland is hugely pro eu and excuse me for being ignorant if I am wrong but I have never heard a clamour for ditching the CTA with the UK.
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