We're being run as a right-wing corporatist playground overall
I've seen you say this twice, but I don't see what in the world is right wing about greedy, unethical corporations and the governments that back them up. Or is this the new "liberal" a term that doesn't mean what it says on the tin anymore.
You're avoiding the point like the plague. Name one Western nation where the same strong trends don't play out along cultural and "race" lines, all with different ways of dealing with things like DP. You can't, because it doesn't exist.
This is standard operating procedure and one found in all the "multicultural" Western nations. "Oh look [insert person of colour here] doing so well in sport/arts/politics. So proud!!", while again avoiding like the plague the overall trends for people of colour in the same society. Like I said earlier the actor Peter O'Toole noted with the British press that when he was up for an Oscar he was "British", but when he woke up in the papers hungover after a session he was "Irish". We see the same thing in America "Oh look [insert person of colour here] doing so well in sport/arts/politics!! So proud" while American people of colour are overwhelmingly over-represented in poverty, prisons, lack of representation, lack of business owners, lower mortality etc. And African American commentators have long noted this. It's OK to be Black for the amusement and edification of White society to make that society feel better about itself, while on average Blacks struggle far more on a daily basis.
Have to be careful as well, assimilation is basically genocide so even supporting integration will be an issue.
We're being run as a right-wing corporatist playground overall. Companies? Get them in. Low-paid immigrants? Get them in. When you look at the numbers on wage subsidies (use to be FIS, think they've changed it) along with rent benefits etc. it's clear that many companies and roles simply don't pay enough to get by. Higher wages? Nah, government will make sure no-one has the crazy idea and subsidise it. But they frame it as "helping" the vulnerable. Exact same thing happening with energy. There's super-super-super normal profits being made while people are broke. Best the government can do is give more money to the energy companies (Check out the price wind contracts were won at and the prices they're charging now). Exact same with immigration. Use mostly left-wing arguments to get them on board with a corporatist right-wing position and the idiots will police anyone who objects and call them racist.
Success as an non-indigenous fella. How can that possibly happen when all Klaz/Wibbs metric points to the bottom of the barrel of humanity.
It's borderline scummy behavior to make a statement like that when they've never uttered a word like that. Even outside of that, being an athlete doesn't make someone a great person; see McGregor as a close example, or the numerous football players who've terrible ethics. It's bothersome how poor the quality of argumentation is around here at the minute.
His success was earned through hard work and dedication, and some talent to begin with. For some reason you want to steal all that away from him and imply that his success is because of his diversity and your love for diversity. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Prolly has a gig fencing stolen cars, or worse; nubiles. It somehow doesn’t add up.
Anyhow, you can always chalk him up as yet another outlier. Lol
Another potential olympic contender maybe? Gold medal winner at the European Championships
Meet Ireland’s new European Champion Gabriel Dossen
The 22-year-old beat England’s Lewis Richardson to secure gold on finals day in Yerevan, Armenia.
It was a close fight but Dossen, who has also claimed two medals at European Youth level, won on a unanimous 5-0 decision.
Since finishing his second-level education Dossen has been on a sports scholarship in AIT Athlone where he studied business management and accounting.
His father is originally from Liberia and his mother is a native of Ethiopia – the family live with their mother in Galway.
Two of Gabriel’s siblings are talented soccer players: Aaron plays with Galway United while Eve is on the Republic of Ireland U-19 soccer squad. Before he focused on boxing, Gabriel played Gaelic games at underage level with St Michael’s.
Spoken like a true Mohawk. It’s nice to see some of you got around to live in Ireland.
Further up we were told that migration into Ireland generates higher GDP and increased taxes. So it's no problem overall, it'll be the natives who are dragging down the ship, while migrants will be in the higher paying jobs to pay for the pensions, because Paddy and Mary can't support themselves.
The vast majority of immigrants, and refugees to this country have been able to work, as part of the visas extended to them. The one that's interesting is that foreign spouses of Irish people have to jump through more hoops before getting permission to work here.. whereas normal immigrants and refugees don't have to jump through the same hoops. Asylum seekers are something of a special case, so they really shouldn't be used as any example of the norm, but the restrictions on being able to work were lifted pretty quickly once the activists started complaining about it.
But then, it's all smoke and mirrors to avoid any focus on the connections between culture and long-term unemployment or any other negative in society.
What issues would they be? Are they the same issues that affect Eastern Europeans and Asian immigrants?
Here's a simple fix, don't import people from the third world and then blame their third world outcomes on the "system" comrade.
Also if a friend of mine moved abroad to a country they didn’t have the skills to provide for themselves or who wanted to live their long term but hated the culture
It's an interesting dynamic tbh. I chose Asia to live in for the last decade and a bit, which is incredibly resistant to foreign culture. Oh, sure, on the surface and in the most superficial of terms, American (or even British) culture is seen to be embraced, but any digging below the immediate surface shows that they've only adopted the image, and not the core aspects related to it. And when foreigners go to live in Asia, culture shock is definitely a consideration (although I didn't suffer it until I returned to the West). Most westerners who go to Asia don't stay longer than a year or two, or will go out of their way to establish communities of foreign people, with little real interaction with the native people. So, western bars, cafes, even convenience stores pop up, so that westerners can live in a bubble separate from the native population, except for a few quick trips out when there's little choice otherwise... and you see it with the natives, who while initially welcoming and forgiving of cultural oops, don't really extend acceptance to the foreigner. You will always be a foreigner, regardless of speaking the language, getting married, having kids etc.. and the expectation by natives is that, at some point, you will leave. Very few westerners manage to settle permanently in Asian countries, and those that do are living on the fringes, having created their own little worlds.
And this isn't exclusive to Asia. I did a stint in Africa as a volunteer, and came into contact with many westerners who were either doing the same, or were living there long-term, but again, the general expectation was that they would leave at some point. White people who stayed in Africa were always separate from the local community, not from choice, but because of the distrust, suspicion, and wariness of the local people. And who could blame them, considering their histories, not simply with foreigners but with others of their own race.
Living in Asia or Africa, you have no real supports beyond what you can pay for. Without money, you're screwed, although connections can sometimes help (except people are very quick to remind you when you owe them, and remarkably hard to find when they owe you). Very few governments in Asia or Africa have any kind of supports for foreigners, and in most cases, legally there will be preferential treatment given to native claims over foreign claims. Which is extremely common in countries like S.Korea or Japan who are often held up as being the most westernised nations, and yet, they're really very very different from us.
It's an interesting one. TBH I suspect the people pushing for multiculturalism in the west have never spent any extensive time in foreign countries. They'll live in Australia, the US, or maybe HK/Singapore, but avoid living in the very cultures that they push to be established here. I figure it's the reason why the focus is entirely on the positives, because their own personal experiences of such cultures is limited to the tourist areas, on planned/safe group tours , or living in foreign compounds. Limited, safe, and without any real understanding of how normal people of that particular culture live. Of course, anything negative in that culture is limited geographically, and not tied to the culture, so transplanting these people into the west won't transfer the negatives of that culture, even while they're promoting that the entire culture be accepted.
TBH I think the west is pretty much screwed at this point. Western culture is remarkably weak against other cultural groups. Oh, sure, countries might tighten immigration policies, and reduce the impact of mass immigration, but the basic foreign populations have already established themselves, and their rights have been assured. Relatively easy to expand those rights as needed and given a bit of time.
Oh, and there is a white flight ongoing from Western nations moving into Asia. Although there is no expectation that Asian countries should change.. in fact, most foreigners I know are hopeful that Asian cultures will remain as they are, and not change to suit the foreign communities. Interesting times.
Yeah man, all we have to do is "fix the system" and everything will be perfect. People like yourself, and those who you lay in bed with, won't be fixing anything anytime soon. The top in Ireland never fixes anything, they always do the opposite, they make problems worse and worse. This isn't my opinion either it's a fact, yet according to you, it will all be fixed by people incapable of fixing things. Honestly, words like "naive" don't even cut it anymore, we almost need new terms just to describe the madness of modern people.
But again, this time it'll be different if we change the DP setup.
As the current system is the root cause of so many of the issues you highlighted, then yes, fixing the system will address a lot of those issues. Not all issues and not for all people, but for a lot of people.
I guess we'll have to wait and see how effective the changes will be as it's too early to say yet.
Nope. Sorry. Those of colour in every single "multicultural" Western nation are more likely to be all the things I listed. For generations. Long after their grandparents, even great grandparents were economic migrants/Asylum seekers/refugees. And across different Western cultures with different political histories, Left, Centre, Right, whatever you're having yourself. But again, this time it'll be different if we change the DP setup. Pity a large chunk of non EU migrants came here before the birthright loophole was closed so never went next nor near DP centres or applied for residency.
At least we might have skillful footballers in the future.
its remarkable that only the western world needs more diversity in terms of different races, but others places don’t need more diversity. Some put it down to white guilt but I think there is a hint of looking down on places in the developing world.
Also if a friend of mine moved abroad to a country they didn’t have the skills to provide for themselves or who wanted to live their long term but hated the culture. I would think such friend needs to cope on and stop being an idiot. Of course it’s totally okay for others to come here and either not be able to provide for themselves or others who really can’t stand the culture. Somehow it appears to be okay to have lower expectations of some groups then others.
I'd love to live in a mystical land too where the poorest aren't poor and don't suffer all the negative effects of poverty.
Is ireland like that now, was it like that at some point in the past.
Is it not like that now because of all those damn foreigners again?
"French youths" up to no good as usual.
I read that Jason McAteer the former Ireland and Liverpool footballer was over there working and his wife was going to the game to meet him, she got mugged and had her blouse torn off her.
Liverpool players taking the knee before kick off while Africans beat the **** out of their supporters outside the ground. 🤡
It's not difficult to see why they would be disadvantaged.
Including here BTW, even after not much more than just two decades.
Lets take a look at the situation in DP here, which, until recently had the following issues which align with your list
socially excluded
DP centers, by design, were kept separated from the community
In receipt of social supports
Those who were in DP seeking asylum were prohibited from working and were instead given a tiny allowance
poorer
See previous point
less edcuated
They were not permitted to enter 3rd level education and couldn't afford to even if they were as they were, in general, non-EEA citizens and so would face far higher fees.
less employed
They were prohibited from working. When that changed there were so many restrictions and conditions placed on the ability to work, most employers baulked at the idea and wouldn't hire anyone in DP. I posted the list of restrictions and conditions previously, it's honestly insane and includes things like employers being open to audit at random for all employment records for all staff if they hire a single AS.
Thankfully this is all changing now as its been acknowledged that AS are generally worse of due to the situation we put them in because of how we designed the system.
Fixing the design of that system will fix a lot of the issues on your list.
Every country on the planent that I know has emigrants so not really worth pointing out.
Please point out one "multicultural" country in the West where those of colour are not more likely to be socially excluded, in receipt of social supports, poorer, less edcuated, less employed and so forth. Including here BTW, even after not much more than just two decades.
And nobody does talk about White Europeans in that context. If the question is put; would a Black African or East Asian nation be "culturally improved" by the addition of 15% White people? Yeah, tends to get no answer. It seems White European cultures are the only ones in need of "improvement" by the exotic.
I don't think it's even down to first or third world, developing nations or no, or "race" particularly, save for it making it so much easier to point out differences. IMHO the very core of the politic is doomed to failure because the only multicultural nations in the past got that way by invasion and/or imperial expansion and the minorities, particularly the ones that stood out never got the nice end of the stick or it took them generations to do so and they had to ape the dominant culture. Become more locals than the locals themselves. Again IMHO the basic human nature of "Them Vs Us" evolved as a response to external(and internal) threats because for the range of human history that's percisely what they were.
Haha wibbs I never said we were immigrants once.
I was merely making a humorous reference to all the assimilation talk.
Nice rant though. Don't forgot to say how come no one talks about Europeans when taking about multiculturalism next.
Annnnnnd we're back to the other wonky chair leg of the multiculturalists; we wuz migrants once! It never gets old.
I *am* an immigrant so using this argument with me is even sillier. But as I said, they don't care much about facts, and what do you expect from people that support multiculturalism and immigration from the 3rd world thinking that it won't fail here just because it has failed everywhere else.
The recent arrival of 30,000 Ukrainians
The Ukraine situation really blows apart race based arguments, as people have the exact same concerns, even though they are largely white and Christian or secular. Of course that doesn't matter though, because "racism" can mean whatever it needs to mean once it can be used to hinder "bad" people.
Americans?
Even Leo Varadkar namechecked "issues" with certain migrant groups from Georgia and Romania. Last time I checked they were White, the same "race". Of course he avoided namechecking the African chancers as that would get the exoticism fetishists seeing "race" everywhere all a quiver, even though over 90% of "sylum seekers" from that continent are also rejected. Post the birthright citizenship loophole closed of course. The recent arrival of 30,000 Ukrainians will/is causing issues and last I checked they were White too. And you clearly haven't been exposed much to other cultures, because if you had and think the Irish have a "racist" element, your hair would stand on end listening to honest conversations from those in Eastern Europe, or anywhere in Asia.
Never mind that America of all places is hardly a good example of the same multiculturalist politic. White Anglo Saxon Protestants "assimilated". Well they didn't need to as the nation was founded along those lines. Other Whites like the Irish and Italians could "blend in". American Blacks didn't, couldn't assimilate and were kept at a distance, right down to today, or did you miss the civil rights movements and BLM? Jews and Muslims were/are hardly welcome guests of WASP circles. The Chinese were treated like second class citizens. Ever hear of the Chinese Exclusion act? Hispanics need a wall for some of them apparently.
A complete rebellion against self-responsibility is one of the core features of the people who are ushering us into a rapid decline. Years following them, and not once have they accepted any blame for anything, no matter how guilty they are.
The one element that won't assimilate.
That's a small price to pay for the benefits of diversity and multiculturalism.
And now, joking aside, this is why there is a never ending stream of illegals, there is little effort to stop them and when they arrive we have irresponsible ministers which grants them amnesty. There is no deterrents for them to not take the trip, and if some of them drown or suffocate or freeze to death in refrigerated containers the people enabling them won't even consider that they are at least partially responsible. And by people enabling them I mean everyone, from posters on this thread up to high level politicians.
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