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There's no "difference in opinion" in what the meaning of affordable housing or average citizen means.
Affordable housing meaning.
Affordable housing schemes help lower-income households to buy their own homes. They offer eligible first-time purchasers the chance to buy newly constructed homes and apartments at prices significantly less than their market value.
If what they're marketing as affordable housing is out of reach, price wise, as to the market it is intended to serve (lower-income households) then it's clearly not working or fit for purpose.
If what they're marketing as "affordable housing" is actually unaffordable to those it was intended for, and actually becoming just affordable to those with incomes that should not need to avail of affordable housing schemes to begin with, then it's an abject failure.
How can you not actually grasp this fact?
The average citizen thing you apparently need clarity on, is so unbelievable that I'm not going to lower myself explaining that to anyone.
Have a great day though.
This should give FG a boost in the polls. 😃
https://twitter.com/EmerHigginsTD/status/1529180214512734209
”I have the measure of you”?
😂😂😂😂
Just the latest in a long line of accounts who spent the entire time going from one poster to another attacking them because they are afraid of someone with a different opinion
Fight the fear a chara
I'm exhausted looking at the utter nonsense and your 100% correct re bizzare obstacles and deflection tactics, impossible to engage with people like this 🙄
I'm not having a go at anyone, you just seem to be be struggling with basic concepts in life, yesterday it was "affordable housing" and it's intended market, this evening you didn't seem to understand what the term "average citizen" means.
You are now getting a bit annoyed that I have the measure of you.
If it is “pretty much applicable to everything I life” why are you not having a pop at the person who posts up the apartment was unaffordable?
Doesn’t really make sense you have got upset with me because I provided the clarity after the person incorrectly posted saying unaffordable?
Any chance you might have a go at them?
I posted yesterday that you were erecting obstacles for the sake of it, and you've just proved that's what you're at.
"unaffordable for some, affordable for others"
That's pretty much applicable to everything in life, (I gave a super yacht / Elon Musk example yesterday)
However in the context of "affordable housing" well when the so called affordable housing is becoming too expensive for the very market it was intended for, well then that can not be described as anything other than an abject failure, and they need to go back to the drawing board.
I've heard that before. Housing would be tackled if the opposition just nodded along with the bad policies that make housing worse. Genius.
While investors like Darragh O’Brien and his landlord colleagues are making money from the crisis, why would we expect Darragh O’Brien and his landlord colleagues to change housing policy?
Any chance of discussing a topic or is it the usual of discuss a poster because they have a different opinion?
Incorrect, the person claim it was unaffordable which was incorrect, all I asked was could you confirm what would be affordable, no one could answer
So the original post should have said unaffordable for some, affordable for others
Oh come on, you tried this same pointless and defective argument yesterday when you pretended to not understand who "affordable housing" projects were intended to service, and what kind of income people would earn in the "affordable housing" targeted market.
100%
Don't respond to this distraction folks unless you like utterly fruitless discussions with zero learnings.
That's it. Everything is working perfectly in housing. Otherwise they'd change policy.
Subsidse builders. Then subsidies the renters. What could possibly go more wrong?
Money to be made, **** the tax payer. Business as usual.
Who is getting "shirty"
It was a simple question, it doesn't deflect from the housing crisis which I already confirmed is an issue and all the parties should be working together to resolve.
- Poster requests a definition of well understood term.
- Poster ignores the rest of the same post in its entirety.
- Poster gets shirty when you refuse to engage with their deflection.
Your posting style is so transparent.
And look, seeing as I'm responding thusly, I guess your deflection has been somewhat successful.
Maith an buachaill
I didn't expect you could back up the comment. It seems a common issue around here.
Obtuse poster is obtuse.
What is the "average citizen"?
There is no crisis. The market is "working" as intended.
I mean, the latest solution is to incentivise developers to build more apartments.
There's one way for the market to return to a sensible place and that's to stop privatising housing policy as we have done since the 90s.
Half a million quid for a 3 bed semi in Crumlin is absurd.
2500/month for a house in Lucan is absurd.
The market is functionally broken for the average citizen. There's no point in trying to fix it unless a fundamental policy shift occurs.
You still think that the housing issues are unintended?
The housing crises is a direct consequence of failed policies by those currently and previously in government.
Are you suggesting those in opposition should stop opposing these failed policies to fix the housing issue?
Is this a serious account?
It's a pity housing is still be treated by some to get political points......if the parties all came together to get this crisis resolved for the people of Ireland we would be in a lot better position.
Instead we have parties more interested in making the issues worse
Well said 😉
...of course its getting worse, it was always gonna, this approach was never gonna work, just some dont want to accept this reality!
Its getting worse
Gaslighting as usual from the usual suspects
Not sure what exactly I am supposed to be proving.
Prove it.
Sorry but yes you did, still are now.
If what is claimed is correct then it was wrong in terms of the races. Did I say it wasn't?
The "crony appontments on planning" I haven't read anything and I certainly wouldn't be clicking on that clown Chay Bowes website. If you support online trolls that is your choice, don't expect other to support.
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