Russian politicians talking about nuclear strikes again
Something needs to be done to shore up against future invasions. The Russians probably won't agree to a militarised border anywhere so if you can leave a large part of it as no-mans land then it's at least some defence against future sorties by the huns.
Well that’s exactly my point?
so we shouldn’t worry about it then?
we’ve already seen what can happen?
some lunatic with a little stockpile of javelins and the like , or a flood of these appearing on the black market, it will be a problem.
The likes of tanks and MLRS I wouldn't worry about, but smaller things like NLAWs, Javelins, MANPADs etc.
Very easy to distribute and hide, these could be surfacing all over Europe in decades to come. Disgruntled postal worker could do a lot of damage with one of those
I see the Irish Times, true to form, gives loads of space to useful idiots: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2022/05/27/neutrality-and-military-alliances/
The whataboutery is astonishing,
Damn you Buttonftw - how dare you put me in a position to agree with timmyntc. Oh, the ignmony !
This wont be forgotten!!!
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Good piece from the WaPo on the difficulties and challenges facing the Ukr volunteers. As well as their endless difficulties with supplies and training (as well as leadership and other issues)
Putin doesn't care. Anything can be rebuilt down the line (Chechnya). Land is everything, which is why they are trying to claw as much as they can from Ukraine, even if they have to bomb every inch of it.
The Terminator tanks have entered the battle and may have been hit with artillery.They survived and retreated but I look forward to seeing them being destroyed one by one in the coming weeks.
For sure, but we've never had the media of a nuclear power openly threaten to use them like this, even for domestic consumption. Some people have compared the coverage to Fox News but I would say it is much , much worse - referring to Scholz as a "bastard" repeatedly for example. This is seriously unhinged stuff.
**** it, better than letting those Russian **** have it.
Well you would wonder where all this equipment will end up after everything is said and done.
how much control of equipment is over there?
is there a danger that something like this could fall into the hands of some undesirables after the fact?
could we have another Jetliner being blown out of the sky?
i can imagine there is any amount of equipment being left behind and who is gathering it all up.
the images of tractors pulling serious weapons around is funny , but seriously it will all need to be accounted for after the fact.
keep shelling it indefinitely even after the war.
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Not only do Ukraine have borders with Russia along Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts which makes the buffer zone idea seem a bit pointless, but most of Ukraine coal, gas, ores and best farming soil is in Donetsk/Luhansk. Bombing all their industry and farmland into oblivion even moreso than it already is... cutting off your nose to spite your face
There aren't many people loyal to Ukraine left there. There's some partisans but really they seem to have little effect so give them a headsup that the plan is to level every building, give them a month to get anyone out who should be allowed. Niceties will only get one so far.
Looking ahead Ukraine are going to need some kind of buffer zone, level the place and keep shelling it indefinitely even after the war.
Genuine question - DPR and LPR are two very large regions and most of them have not been near any war or frontlines through this war, so most civilians would still be in their homes, going to work etc.
Have the several million population all left?
They need napalm. And lots of it.
So the millions of people in Donbass are all just Russian colonists? All the innocent people have left?
What does provoked mean? Ukraine provoked Russia in the same way as someone cutting across someone in traffic resulting in the cut off driver taking out a RPG and blowing up the offending car and its occupants. It's a pathetic stance.
Why level the LPR and DPR before recapturing it?
Or do you think the Ukrainian army should just destroy everyone and everything in all the occupied territories?
For the people of Ukraine, especially of the Donbass, 'risks of escalation' must sound pretty cute. There's cities there like Mariupol that nearly might as well have been hit with a small nuke, so much damage have they taken.
It's a phrase that just reads as, 'we don't want this to burgeon into a wider war'. To be honest, I really have to wonder what capacity Russia would even have to fight a wider war. Even factoring in full mobilisation, would they have the equipment, manpower and logistics to be effective. Yes, there is one thing Russia has that makes it a dicey proposition, but if used it means the end of Russia as well as everywhere else.
Ukraine need a bunch of cheap, dumb artillery. Leave nothing of the LPR and DPR standing. The collaborators, separatists and the new Russian arrivals, well, they can leave for Mother Russia whenever.
I suppose the fear for the US is, where will those long-range weapons be fired. I don't think Joe in the White House needs to worry much about Russia's response at this stage as Putin is down to his last roll of the dice.
More intrigue here-
I'm not sure you understand what "shoring up" means
The Chinese would be very happy to see Russia fall asunder then it would just be the big 2. The US and Red Square. The worse things get for Russia the more the Kremlin is in China's pocket, a useful patsy indeed to have. very much the way North Korea is a current a China patsy. I would not be surprised if some in the communist party have a few daydreams about sending their buddies from North Korea into North East Russia to mop up any capped oil and gas fields.
I hear an English accent there.
All that nuke talk is really for Russian consumption. They want to stir up support for the war and demonize the west.
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I'm well aware I'm broaching conspiracy theory here and that is a sure way to derail the thread so I won't go on about it too much. But when people say 'NATO' they are talking about a huge entity with lots of people. And what if some of those people are unscrupulous and want war? What if NATO has been infiltrated by Russia - at least to some degree? Just food for thought as I don't have enough info. to defend these theories either way. But the fact remains that NATO were warned about the danger by many smart people who knew what they were talking about.
Nevertheless, I am of the opinion that all this talk about politics and nazis etc. must be put on hold; the first item on the list for discussion is the mass murder of Ukrainians and the need to burn the Russian out of Ukraine. Burn 'em out first, then talk.
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