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Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Same old same old. Second amendment. Blah blah blah. Thoughts and prayers. Blah blah blah. Shove your f*cking thoughts and prayers up your hole. Fat lot of good that's going to do to a parent of a murdered child. An AVOIDABLE murder of a child. They could give a f*ck about your thoughts and yes, there is the right to bear arms. And Americans have proven again and again and again that they love their guns more than their children. What does that say about a nation? They sacrifice their children for their guns. There is no other explanation.

    Disgusting. We'll be having same conversation again and again and again and again and again. This year alone.


    F#cking thoughts and prayers....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    @rob316 people want the AR-15 because it is synonymous with the military/police. It is a status symbol. The killer in Buffalo listed his XM15 rifle in his manifesto as picked exclusively for this reason - because people were scared of it because it's "military grade"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Texas dem Beto O'Rourke confronting the Governor during press conference


    Ted Cruz acting high and mighty along with several others that have a rapid case of the vapors.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,191 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I think a lot of it comes down to fashion. In some circles owning something AResque seems like its a requirement. Id bet theres a sizable number of posers with similar guns just as there are many genuine shooters that dont own them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,191 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Did that happen in Uvalde as the video sggests?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I suppose you'd now have some people who would own everything-but an AR-15 or similar rifle, depending on how you felt about it.

    I was driving in the mountains last month and some NC candidate, his signs were just his name, and a black and white icon for the AR-15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    They were more outraged by the interruption than they were about the shooting. Vile bastards.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If they had concentrated a volley of gunfire aimed at the gunman's lower body then at least one bullet would have hit him in the leg or the thigh - even hitting him in the ankle would have been enough to prevent him from getting him into the school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Mr_Jacko




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Tim Scott nuked a facebook post where he tried to promote Charter Schools after this shooting, but in a very tonedeaf way: 'kids learn in many different ways' - just as kids learned, Tim and friends won't do anything about gun violence. It racked up 100s of replies before the intern wiped it, which could be a violation of some Records act, meh.

    The Federalist, a Republican think tank, has seized the opportunity to pursue it's agenda of eliminating public education altogether, encouraging homeschooling




  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I think you know what the best descriptive line for Republicans is (from my POV anyway).

    Fair play to Beto. Some of the usual suspects will be in calling it a stunt but in my mind if you don’t perform stunts like these then the story just goes away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    My Congressman seems to be having a **** breakdown. He says the system that he is a part of doesn't work and God is the only answer, he is powerless to reach across the aisle and be bipartisan etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems that the murderer locked the kids in a classroom along with their teachers and shot them there. But, hey, "muh raghts. 2A fuhever."

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-everything-we-know-b2086549.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    I have a horrible scenario that might lead to a solution.

    Give the like of Ted Cruz what they want. Arm everybody. Teachers, bus drivers, crossing guards etc. etc.. Pilot scheme in one state. Then we sit back and see where the numbers go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,466 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    It is political. Gun availability is the issue. We can't view each school shooting as a stand alone or each murderer as a one off.

    Trying to ignore the gun lobby elephant in the room is just taking the piss. And using the victims is just an abhorrent republican tactic. 'Lets not discuss guns as it distesepcts the children murdered by a teen having had access to them'. Sure.



  • Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The guns control ship is sailed. Have to fix why people shoot kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There's another new shooting practically every day, with limited exaggeration. This other one last week,

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/nyregion/girl-killed-bronx.html

    It's anarchy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,191 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    So they turned upmat the location of a school shooting and criticised someone else for politicizing it?


    @Overheal Guy I was thinking of earlier but couldnt remember the name of was Massie of Kentucky. Posed his family with guns literally posing for a Christmas photo. Madison Cawthorn started cleaning a gun in the middle of a committee meeting, which wasnt just posing, it also showed how much he cared about his committee. It took a scandal over his sexuality to really raise hackles before he narrowly lost reelection. Boebert's entire gimmick is guns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    This is a twitter account of the brother of one of the victims and has also retweeted other parents and family members. Putting faces to the victims and reading the thoughts of their family members is utterly heartbreaking

    https://twitter.com/jazlikescheese



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's bad enough there are so many guns yes without having to drape themselves in gunnery to appeal themselves to the average voter I agree.


    Now sports fans have had their bubbles encroached on too. Americans are angry, I wonder if they're more angry for their guns or their kids though, I truly, truly have no idea anymore. I've become much more cynical than I already was originally.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not the easiest thing to do when the other person is moving and shooting back they also have to be careful not to shoot bystanders or kids in a school



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    All these armchair marksmen (not you, @Gatling .) STFU this is very difficult. The myth of 'good guy with a gun' is just that. It's random luck. It really isn't 'Call of Duty: Public School edition.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    The NRA, the Republican party and weapon manufacturers, profit from this death, and they are happy to do so, because they only value money and nothing else. They are are death cult.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The reason it's the most popularly sold rifle in the US isn't because of fashion, it's because it is a genuinely excellent rifle for any form of civilian use. There is no need to ascribe a 'motive' beyond the rationality of the consumer. The Hyundai Tuscon isn't the most popularly sold car in Ireland because it's fashionable, it's because when a punter is looking to put his hard-earned money down, it's a sensible choice overall. If you have, say, $800 to spend on a rifle, what better choice is there to make?

    The US has traditionally had former military rifles cascade down from the military to civilian use simply because it's what people know from their own service, going back to the 19th century. 30.06 as the 'standard' deer caliber goes back to the WW1 1903 Springfield and the WW2 semi-auto M1 Garand. The most common personally owned pistol for decades was the Colt 45 M1911 and its derivatives. Similarly the M-16 from which the AR-15 was derived has been the military's standard rifle for over a half-century, millions of Americans are comfortable with it, know how to use it and how to maintain it. Ammunition is cheap and easily available. It has proven reliability. 60 years of development means that there is a massive support infrastructure. It's very affordable, light enough, comfortable enough and controllable enough for anyone to use it, adjustable enough that one rifle will fit anyone in a household regardless of size difference, it's modular enough that you can use one rifle for cheap plinking with a .22 conversion, keep the 5.56 for defensive use or pest control, then swap out the top for a bigger round and you can use it to hunt deer or hog. They're not uncommon in marksmanship contests. Frankly, if you're going to own only one rifle, or a first rifle, the AR-15 has much to recommend it for pretty much any firearm use except clay pigeon shooting and duck hunting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Allow me to reiterate that there were good guys with guns. They shot at him before he even entered the building. He still managed it.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah... When I posted what I did, it was as the news was still emerging. If you read what I said, I said there was plenty of time to talk about gun reform, but perhaps in the immediate aftermath, when emotions are tired and heightened and especially when news is still breaking, it's not the best time to jump on a tragedy to use it as a way to attack a political party you spend most of your time online berating.

    I stand by that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So if I'm your neighbors, and our kids are being shot at, and killed, and the thing standing between reforms and you and the children was me saying "no, I don't want nanny state laws, let god sort it out etc" you'd think when, exactly, is too soon to confront me after your kids death?



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