No, but when even the US are saying its not ethnic cleansing I think its more likely that the Ukrainians are exaggerating
There not wrong , Russia is now making relative minor gains ,they don't have the ability to fight large scale offensives ,they make a gain and the Ukrainians push them back , average Joe Russian doesn't want to fight even the separatists are refusing to fight further into ukraine
Nothing to see like the Ghost of Kyiv and the Heroes of Snake island who died in a blaze of glory - until a reliable source confirms it, ethnic cleansing of millions of Ukrainians is doubtful.
And no the Russian media is not reliable, however neither is the Ukrainian. I'll wait for US, European or other credible outlets.
When even the US are saying there is no ethnic cleansing going on its hard to believe
Check for styrofoam
The US (the Pentagon as per your quote) did not say there was no ethnic cleansing taking place.
They (the Pentagon) said it was not their place to state if ethnic cleansing was or wasn't happening. They are probably leaving political statements for politicians to make.
By the same logic you don't believe that the sky is blue. I haven't seen you say it therefore you don't believe it.
You claimed that Brexiteers had bought into an idea that would result in, amongst other outcomes, the raping of babies.
You now say that Trump, Brexiteers and Putin have a shared belief that rules/laws/agreements/treaties are meant to be broken.
On that basis there are plenty of states/organisations/movements/groups/gangs world wide that would fall into that category.
You're now saying that Brexiteers want to profit from "the collapse of what we call civilisation".
The propaganda will be out saying due to the upper age limit on recruitment being lifted (cause so many older people want to fight the Nazis) they decided to bring out tanks older than the soldiers so they know how to use them. Or some other dribble like that.
It's not ethnic cleansing it's filtering ,
The camps are filtering the Ukrainans into separate group ,say your Russian then it's good ,say your Ukrainian your then a Nazi and then your shipped to other camps on the other side of Russia
It's months away.Ukraine are taking the punches very well but won't be able to hit back very hard until July/August when the reserves are ready for battle.Newer weapons are on the way constantly.By August,Russia will have exhausted a lot of men and equipment so they will likely dig in then and the battle to push them out begins.Ukraine will need a 5 to 1 advantage to push them out and that is possible but with heavy losses.Putin will call for a ceasefire and look to hold what he has.
Russia was like a boxer swinging in all directions at the start of the war, the boxer is still hitting hard but has wasted a lot of energy and his opponent will get much stronger in the coming rounds,the boxer will then have to rely on old punches from the past and old men in his corner.
Head of Luhansk regional administration: as of noon today, Bakhmut-Lysychansk road is passable, though being shelled by Russian troops
Russia is closing the door on the escape roots
That article is 4th April. In it the Russians said 420,000 "voluntarily evacuated" to Russia. the article interviews those who managed to escape the "voluntary evacuation" and who said it was anything but voluntary.
I believe the Guardian is "a western outlet timmy.
This one is CNN from 19th March.
5th May Washington Post.
It was a cop out statement, but they did not say that there was. If they had evidence that there was they would not sit on it, as it would help galvanize support for further sanctions on Russia and arms shipments to Ukraine.
That the sky is blue is not exactly breaking news that you would expect anyone to report on. Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine is.
say your Ukrainian your then a Nazi and then your shipped to other camps on the other side of Russia
That is ethnic cleansing. If that is going on it would be all over the news
You could have just said "I mis-typed" or admit you were wrong rather than quote 3 people and not address the error you made.
Raping babies?
Attempting to equate Brexiteers with Putin is a weak argument.
The notion that they wish to profit from "the collapse of civilisation as we know it", [who is "we" by the way?], is ludicrous.
Its been in the news since the start of the war
Can you post an article here please detailing ethnic cleansing of millions of Ukrainians, that has been confirmed by a 3rd party source (not Russia or Ukraine)?
Where is the wood? I cannot see it because of all the trees.
Cannon Fodder
https://defence-ua.com/news/na_garmatne_mjaso_zamist_pensiji_u_rf_skasuvali_vikovij_tsenz_dlja_ukladennja_armijskogo_kontraktu-7501.html
With the Russians pursuing a "lay everything to waste" policy in the East, the ports still blockaded, the threat of further Russian attempts from the North and from the South by sea, NOW is the time for the Ukrainians to invite foreign forces, of any friendly flag, to intervene in a humanitarian capacity, but under multi-national protection.
The intention being to introduce a level of confusion that the Ukrainians can benefit from. In a nutshell, intimidate the Russians with red lines they don't understand and clog up the terrain with "impartial bystanders".
The above exercise would be confusing beyond belief and that is indeed the intention. It might serve to slow Russian military action.
Ah, so when it supports your agenda, you're happy to misquote them and use it in support of your bias.
But when someone calls out your twisting of their words, then "it was a cop out statement".
Lol ,
Let me guess it's not cleansing or filtration it's a special operation
Those old tanks also go up in flames when hit and can be taken out easily. The Ukrainians have superior artillery. The real terror are Russian MLRS. The Ukrainians keep asking for them from NATO - https://twitter.com/Navsteva/status/1529467155208617984?s=20&t=pkw4H8kupMW96v6K21BVZw
T62 fire hazard-
What are they doing in Russia i wonder?Reeducation camps like in China maybe?
"When even the US are saying there is no ethnic cleansing going on its hard to believe"
There's a HUGE difference between not confirming and saying it's not happening... But, you knew that already.
From the Russian media itself: "Since the beginning of the special military operation, as many as 1,185,791 people, including 206,610 children, have been evacuated."
According to Mizintsev, more than 9,500 temporary accommodation centers are operating in Russian regions."
What exactly do they mean by "evacuated"? Ukraine hasn't evacuated anyone out of the country to the West. Everyone who left Ukraine, left the country voluntarily.
Theres also a huge difference between saying it is happening, and simply not confirming or denying. If there was evidence of this kind of mass ethnic cleaning going on, the US would not hesitate to call it out rather than reserve comment. It plays very well for the US politically to speak out about this kind of thing, so for them to reserve comment on it implies they do not have evidence of this.
More than one million people, including nearly 200,000 children, have been taken from Ukraine to Russia in the past two months, officials in Moscow have claimed.
According to Russian-owned news agency TASS, this figure included 11,550 people moved from Ukraine to Russia in the last 24 hours, “without the participation of the Ukrainian authorities”.
He said the civilians were evacuated from the “dangerous regions” of Donetsk, Lugansk and other parts of Ukraine, according to the report.
Not that I would expect the Russians to mention it, but theres no indication that people are being taken against their will or separated based on perceived ethnicity. One poster earlier claimed they were ethnic cleansing or filtering by sending those who identified as Ukrainian to the "middle of Russia" and leaving those who identified as Russian in place. I cant see any evidence of this or even claims of this anywhere except this thread.
Maybe they mean they are sending them to gulags, or maybe they mean they moved them from the frontlines to cities inside Russia where there is no shelling. The idea that they are ethnically cleansing Ukraine and then leaving subtle hints about it in state run media like "evacuating" people rather than writing "X million people left Ukraine for Russia", its absurd.
They could well be engaging in ethnic cleansing, but stating they are evacuating people from Donbass is not some kind of smoking gun that proves anything lol.
Putin has already said that he doesn't class Ukrainians as real people. He's not moving them to apartments in cities away from the frontline when his troops are actively blowing places like theaters where people shelter to smithereens. Same for hospitals. This notion that Ukrainians are moving to Russians cities for their own safety is a total stretch of ones imagination.
The US haven't said anything about cleansing in public. Who knows what is being said in private to countries in private. The public don't need to know everything.
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Last month Biden did put a name to what Russia are about in Ukraine (genocide) though others may not be so bold and he said himself
We'll let the lawyers decide internationally whether or not it qualifies, but it sure seems that way to me.
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