It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Nothing, really. The executive has been hoarding power in a very centralised country. We're not even allowed to protest.
that's a ridiculous statement to make.
Why? You are aware of the policing bill aren't you. Protests can carry a 10 year jail sentence and/or unlimited fine. Protest is effectively only allowed based on the wishes of the government
spoofers is a very interesting statement. what exactly are they "Spoofing" about?
Can you give examples of this fake news media that supports the Tories? if any at all, the fake news comes out of the Guardian, which certainly does not support the Conservatives and is peddled mercilessly across the various forums here. If you want a perfect example, take a look at Leroy's post above.
great timing, I was looking for an example of fake news and you served it up perfectly.
So what do you think is contained in the bill?
Here are some details from the BBC
Amnesty don't seem overly happy with it
Even the HoL seems to not to overly impressed.
show me where it says you can get ten years in prison for protesting?
It's such a shame that Politics is no longer a discussion about the actual politics, it is a discussion about a narative, one that is created purely for social media.
Here you go.
Your point was that it was a fake news, clearly it isn't.
that's a ridiculous statement to make. was your reply. Turns out it was perfectly correct.
What what is your position on the UK government making protests illegal in a democracy?
It is such a shame that some people are willing to tie themselves in knots, and ignore actual facts, just to run a narrative to suit their own agenda.
I can see the bit where you can get up to a maximum of ten years for commiting the offence of public nuisance (the actual sentence, will obviously be determined by the courts, after the Police and the CPS have decided there is a case for prosecution) but I can't see where you can get ten years for protesting.
Like I said, this is a perfect example of fake news and the the ascertation that you are no longer allowed to protest is, in fact, rediculous.
the left are the ones pedaling fake news at a quite alarming rate and anyone who points this out, is generally rounded on and closed down.
pedal fake news, get called out on it and then start the ad hominem
where have I seen that before?
How is NHS_Susan doing?
What is fake news? I said you could get 10 years, you accept that that is indeed true and in the legislation. There is no fake news. The issue with the legislation is that is is so wide, creating too much noise for example, without any context, means that people are fully open to ben given 10 years if the courts so decide.
The left? Who the hell is the left? The guardian apparently. But since you didn't read or know the legislation, otherwise you wouldn't have called 10 years as fake news, then the only one argue without facts or knowledge, and trying to distort reality is you.
You can't come on and portray all the 'left' as fake news, and then complain when your own failures are highlighted to show you have no idea what you are taking about.
You claimed you can get ten years for protesting, that is fake news. It's like saying you can get ten years in prison for driving your car.
If you protest and break the law, some of the offences have a maximum ten ear sentence, just like if you drive your car and break the law, some of those offences can carry up to ten years (or more if you actually kill someone).
It's just a fake narrative that the left creates on social media.
where have you saw it before? in your posts as that is exactly what you are doing while accusing others of doing it dispite the reality that they are in fact stating the facts.
but yeah, so much winning, of course.
the fact is that it is not now, nor will it be in the future, illegal to demonstrate in the UK.
that is the fact.
Oddly though, it is against the law to break the law while on a protest.
but apparently protestors should be immune from the law for some reason.
Saying that people in the UK are not allowed to protest is ridiculous.
no it's a fact reality.
the law is written in such a way that essentially 1 can get 10 years for protesting, but it looks to people like yourself that this isn't the case when in reality it is because it's so perscriptive and wide reaching and open to interpretation.
it's a law designed to clamp down on protesting and ultimately ban it without openly banning it.
so what you are saying is that if, for example, three people were protesting outside an abortion clinic and their actions caused people to fear for the safety, there would be nothing wrong with that and they should be allowed to continue as long as they liked?
The law is not there to prevent protests, just to give the Police more powers for those that use protests as an excuse to cause havoc for others. The right to peaceful protest is very much part of the UK's Human Rights legislation and the right to peaceful assembly is a commitment all members of the council of Europe have made.
the law already takes care of that specific issue so it's irrelevant.
this new law is about stopping any sort of protesting so as to stop the current far right government from being held to account so that when the real effects of brexit hit people will have no recourse to voice their opposition.
it's the same reason why the same far right government want to bring in voter ID, claiming mass voter fraud when in fact voter fraud (while wrong and a problem) is ultimately very small and could be dealt with under the existing mechanisms which were working up until 2010 when the tory idiots wrecked the place.
So it is already against the law to commit public order offences and that is fine, but if someone commits a public order offences while on a protest should be exempt?
This is getting into conspiracy theory stuff now.
you mean the hard right government that want to bring in similar ID requirements for voting as currently exist in Ireland? The same ones that no one really knows if it is an issue or not, because it is so hard to actually prosecute that the Police don't even bother, hence the very low number of convictions?
like I said, conspiracy theory stuff, built on a left wing false narrative.
How so?
this is not about public order offenses and the law the far right government are implementing doesn't include public order offenses, but instead want to class things that aren't public order offenses as public order offenses so as to outlaw protesting.
no the same far right government want to bring in restrictive voter ID so as to gerrymander and prevent undesirable types (as in those they believe won't vote for them anyway) from voting.
voter fraud is very easy to prosecute and the government know how much voter fraud is going on, the police prosecuted voter fraud the odd time it happened in the past and the reason convictions are low is because such activity is very low.
however given the far right government have eradicated the police more or less there may be the odd individual voter fraudster getting through which is unfortunate but ultimately the fault of the far right government of the UK.
you are allowed to protest
As long as the police approve.
how does bringing in photo ID allow for gerrymandering and preventing undesirables from voting?
that has always been the case.
because it is believed that the individuals less likely to vote for the tories are less likely to be able to get hold of the required voter ID due to being unable to meet the no doubt high price and high requirements that will be brought in to receive such an ID.
So the UK has always been a police state?
yes however under the new law the government are able to order the police to approve or disapprove protests and the plan long term is to put their stuges in as police commissioners so as to have a full yes man police service and force.
you mean the free ones that the local councils will be giving out?
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